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re: Megyn Kelly — Alien Enemies Act is not subject to judicial review.

Posted on 3/21/25 at 11:49 am to
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 11:49 am to
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The AEA does not allow the president to remove gangs.

FYI, they aren't just a gang, they are a FTO. And that designation has not been challenged. They have 1 more day to challenge the designation.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 11:50 am to
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No he absolutely could.

If the government of Venezuela is sending a armed force to invade the united states, the AEA gives the president the power to apprehend, restrain and remove “ all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government”

In this case venezuelans would be subject of the venezuelan government.


"Could" is the operative word.

Yes, the AEA allows him to subject all Venezuelans to deportation. But the AEA requires the President to Proclaim who is subject to deportatuon (or any other action), and the President did not say all Venezuelans. Therefore, the AEA does not allow him to deport all Venezuelans given the Proclomation Trump made.

Until Trump makes a new Proclomation, he cannot deport every Venezuelan.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:06 pm to
again, the Act sets out the conditions for it to come into effect.

quote:

That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event



Construction wise it break down as when we there is a:

1. Declared War between the US and a Foreign Nation or Government. obviously not what’s going on here

then they use the word OR, so second situation:

2A: An invasion or predatory incursion by a foreign nation or governmenr
AND- use of and creates a conditional clause.
a proclamation of that event by the president.

So the president’s proclamation is necissary for the act to come into effect but not itself sufficient.

There is also no language in the act giving the president unreviewable power to make this proclamation.

The statute gives him unreviewable authority to determine what to do with the enemy aliens while the statue is in effect.

it doesn’t say he has full unreviewable power to declare the statute in effect.

again the court has said it can always review interpretation of a statute and constitutionality.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:08 pm to
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Are you more concerned with the executive branch, and Trump specifically overreaching on their authority/interpretation of the law/constitution

The executive branch. Not Trump specifically. My bigger fear is the abuse this would permit the DEMs, actually, when they regain the office. Same with the arguments made about the "Unified Executive" Theory Trump has argued so far, trying to neuter Congressional authority in their statutes.
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:13 pm to
SFP:
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:15 pm to
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The executive branch. Not Trump specifically. My bigger fear is the abuse this would permit the DEMs, actually, when they regain the office. Same with the arguments made about the "Unified Executive" Theory Trump has argued so far, trying to neuter Congressional authority in their statutes.


The ol’ concerned moderate schtick. Your concern is noted. Your moderation is also noted.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:15 pm to
You are changing the topic.

The issue I was addressing was your idea that Trump is allowed to deport any Venezuelan. That is false, given the language of his Proclomation.

Whether his invocation of the Act is valid is a separate question.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:17 pm to
you’re missing the point.

We’re talking about the interpretation of the statue and what’s reviewable.

For Trump proclamation to be valid, the interpretation of the act would have to be so broad it would produce absurd results.

Trump’s order rests on his assertion that he has full unreviewable authority to declare that we are being invaded and who is and isn’t a foreign government or nation.

1. that’s not stated in the statute.

2. that would give him an extremely broad power. He could name anyone an agent of a foreign country and by law depart any immigrant legal or otherwise that is also from that country.

and there would be no way to stop him from doing that.

If you look at the EI, if he’s limiting his authority only to TDA members, than how can you deny someone due process to challenge whether they are a TDS member or not?

It would be like if we deported every chinese citizen during WWII without letting them challenge the fact that they aren’t japanese’s.

his proclamation only works if he has the power to deport all venezuelans and is choosing a subset
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79433 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

The issue I was addressing was your idea that Trump is allowed to deport any Venezuelan. That is false, given the language of his Proclomation.


no the subject is what is reviewable.

and again, for his EO to be valid, his interpretation of the act must be valid, and his interpretation of the act conflicts with the language and would lead to absurd results.
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:26 pm to
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The ol’ concerned moderate schtick. Your concern is noted. Your moderation is also noted.


Being against DEMs is "moderate" now?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:30 pm to
You are a DEM
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:33 pm to
That was a quick walk down into your mom’s basement (your office)
Posted by Trojans56
Nola
Member since Jan 2013
1030 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:40 pm to
Hey SLO No. I'm driving to my office right now, and I will give a detailed explanation, again.
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Do you have to change your voice when you answer the phone at your office so that the caller thinks you have a secretary?
Posted by BurlesonCountyAg
Member since Jan 2014
4899 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

Being against DEMs is "moderate" now?


Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/21/25 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Coupon divorce lawyers are big mad about this


Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
13729 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:00 pm to
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The case she cites isn't even really relevant to the discussion at hand. And she knows this, but she's making that money.


Here we go…

Also, your take sounds a bit conspiracy theorist.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Also, your take sounds a bit conspiracy theorist.

It does not
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

Do you have to change your voice when you answer the phone at your office so that the caller thinks you have a secretary?


Why are you assuming my secretary's gender?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:23 pm to
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You are a DEM


No
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47575 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 1:24 pm to
By maybe, I mean there isn’t a clear standard that the group in question must be some flag bearing uniformed invading military force. For example, a contracted or otherwise funded controlled or politically aligned paramilitary or terrorist organization. You are interpreting it that way, but combatants in the modern age seldom fight under flag and banner. They are insurgents, guerillas, and terrorists with disjointed affiliations to a regime. If Afghani Taliban sympathizers for example were coming in through the Southern border and terrorizing Americans, could the AEA not be leveraged? Were covert US paramilitary mercenaries fighting in the Banana Wars in Central America at the turn of the century any less American than the uniformed troops fighting in Europe? I bet the Guatemalans don’t think they were.

The text clearly says ANY invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government. Those standards are met with TdAs affiliation to the Maduro regime as its Narco-terrorism arm.
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