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re: May have found a missile part near crash site
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:24 pm to GnashRebel
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:24 pm to GnashRebel
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I wasn’t blaming anyone. It was an accident in a really hairy situation. More sad than anything.
There is no question that somebody is to blame. You know who it is. If this happened in The U.S. the worldwide screaming would have started in 15 minutes!
It was unacceptable.
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:23 am to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:It makes sense in a way, but ... why shoot it down before we engage anything? As it now stands, they're on the hook, and their only defense is that we had them nervous.quote:
But if you're implying it was a ploy for public attention in the event we retaliated... I don't think so
I’m more implying that just like the talking heads and the Dems were absolutely sure an out of control Trump was going to respond in force last night, I think the Iranians were convinced he was going to respond as well. So why not target an airliner and watch the world blame Trump for their deaths because of his recklessness? And for anyone that doesn’t think they’d intentionally kill 200 people, the vast majority being Iranian, just keep in mind that they killed 1200 protestors not long ago, and didn’t bat an eye.
One look at the flight info, and the video of the plane, and it was clearly shot down. Nobody can contest that.
If it weren't for the media focus on the potential US response/lack thereof, this would be a huge political deal.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:11 am to Scoob
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. why shoot it down before we engage anything?
Doubtful that plane is taking off if we are bombing the crap out of Iran. Plus I think there was probably a window of time where Trump would have been blamed for it had we retaliated. It would have just been framed as an early casualty of Trump’s recklessness. You just have to keep in mind the media hysteria as Iran was launching missiles at our bases. It wasn’t will Trump respond and when? It was omg WW3 has started because of Trump. It’s really a huge moment in history where a decision not to retaliate not only kept us out of a much larger conflict, but it also potentially saved Trump politically in terms of the airliner being shot down (despite the fact that Iran shot it down).
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:16 am to cypresstiger
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Notice the Brits, Canadians, Germans, etc are quiet about the whole thing
They are actually demanding answers, the plane had 80 Canadians on board. Trudeau made a statement yesterday saying the government wouldn't rest until the knew the answer.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:46 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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My point that got lost I think was why were missile parts found among the wreckage? If was hit by one, the point at which it was impacted and the actual crash site are a good distance from each other. Would you expect to find it among the wreckage?
Most surface to air missiles actually slightly misalign with the target and cause damage by exploding in proximity releasing thousands of ball bearing like fragments in a radial pattern. Since the target is a large airliner it is possible that the missile was aligned with the plane and the homing device was lodged into part of the plane immediately after detonation.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:58 am to DavidTheGnome
I have seen the photographs of the wing, engine cowling, and fuselage sections that all show a clear sign of a missile explosion, with the small tell-tell signs of small holes in those photographs.
They can be found online.
They can be found online.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:30 am to VaBamaMan
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Trudeau made a statement yesterday saying the government wouldn't rest until the knew the answer.
And once it's verified to have been taken down by Iranian anti-aircraft ordinance what will Trudeau do? Demand an apology?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:34 am to LSU2a
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Most surface to air missiles actually slightly misalign with the target and cause damage by exploding in proximity releasing thousands of ball bearing like fragments in a radial pattern. Since the target is a large airliner it is possible that the missile was aligned with the plane and the homing device was lodged into part of the plane immediately after detonation.
(how MH17 was shot down with a Buk surface-to-air missile)
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:48 am to DavidTheGnome
twitter link is broken/deleted
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:50 am to JPinLondon
Good illustration. It’s possible that in this instance the missile was approaching from a different vector and was say a heat seeking missile aimed toward the exhaust exploding just below the engine lodging the head of the missile into the plane around the landing gear compartment. We can only guess.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:25 am to LSU2a
LINK
There are clear photos of both the wing and the fuselage taken in day light you clearly see the small holes.
Also of the cowling with a couple of small holes taken in the day light.
These small holes can not be caused by the plane as in crashes or blows apart, they are a clear identification of a missile had been shot at the plane and blown up.
The missile blow up behind the wing and engine, which is what you see the streak marks on the wing and the cowling photographs and the small hole straight to the fuselage.
There are clear photos of both the wing and the fuselage taken in day light you clearly see the small holes.
Also of the cowling with a couple of small holes taken in the day light.
These small holes can not be caused by the plane as in crashes or blows apart, they are a clear identification of a missile had been shot at the plane and blown up.
The missile blow up behind the wing and engine, which is what you see the streak marks on the wing and the cowling photographs and the small hole straight to the fuselage.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 11:30 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:27 am to DavidTheGnome
Is that a wings to go box near it? Looks like North Baton Rouge.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:27 am to Loaner1231
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And once it's verified to have been taken down by Iranian anti-aircraft ordinance what will Trudeau do? Demand an apology?
Reading the passenger list LINK It appears as though the "Canadians" were primarily of middle eastern ethnicity. The Iranians killed their own people? Maybe somebody turned on, and forgot to shut off an automated air defence battery.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:19 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Dumb thought but the shooting down of that plane really makes no sense at all. Planes come and go from that airport all the time and yet for some odd reason someone gets an itchy trigger finger and accidentally shoots a plane down? I’m not buying it... however, if you take a step back and look at the weak retaliation last night by Iran and their firing ballistic missiles into our bases, it might. Consider the scenario, Iran fires a few dozen missiles into the bases and goads the mad man DJT into responding with air strikes. Surprise surprise a commercial airliner gets downed in the confusion and everyone gets to blame their deaths on Trump and his recklessness. It’s a huge win for Iran
Bump.
And now listen to the chorus of Dems and talking heads desperately trying to blame Trump. Imagine the outrage level had we retaliated. This is why they shot that plane down. Iran wasn’t trying to take on Trump head on with military might, they were trying to sink him politically by goading him into responding and then blaming him for this airliner being shot down. Of course their allies in the Democratic Party are trying like hell anyway.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:35 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
You know who else would use soviet missile ordnance (known to be operated by Iran) to drop an airliner in an attempt to spark conflict amidst powderkeg tensions:
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:41 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Looks like the propulsion and guidance mechanism of a standard SAM (surface to air missile) to me.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:43 pm to DavidTheGnome
SA-15 nosecone.
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