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re: Massie loyalists will try to argue against this but, it's the truth.

Posted on 5/11/26 at 6:26 am to
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23322 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 6:26 am to
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Look. At. His. Record.


Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11241 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 6:49 am to
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Why do you/y’all say makes “our” lives better? You’re able to speak for you and you only (individually and I suppose technically as head of household), but that’s it, kiddo. How the hell would you know what makes what better in the lives of strangers? Honestly, just to see that inquiry worded like that, I gotta tell, it gives me pause verging on full stop.


IDK, how about repealing government restrictions on the second amendment?

reducing the amount of taxpayer funds sent to foreign countries?

eliminating wasteful spending?

reducing the amount of taxes collected from us?

enforcing immigration laws?

eliminating the warrantless spying on Americans?

eliminating the protections on drug manufacturers?

I'll go with these for starters.

While they aren't necessarily in DC to make our lives better, they sure as frick aren't there to make our lives worse. And making them better is only by removing the past actions of making them worse.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 6:50 am to
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Youre wanting a rubber stamped "yes man."
First, stick with what you want. Perhaps that is something you actually do understand.

As for your conjecture, you have no clue what I want. You've made that crystal clear. Further, you've made it clear you are incapable of carrying on the discussion beyond a sophomoric level.

What I expect is functional political responsibility and passage of legislation. What I expect is GOP Reps to not weaponize Democrats by handing them a debt limit enabling them to shutdown TSA lines at the airport, or as legislative leverage. What I expect is a Rep to exhibit commonsense, rather than a 2-yr old's "No!" reflex. I don't give a rat's arse if passed legislation coincides 100% with Trump's agenda. If it's too far afoot from the POTUS proposal, Trump can veto it.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
11241 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 6:51 am to
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Massie is a libertarian do you know what RINO means?



I know what a RINO is. Trump is also a RINO. Why do you support him?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 6:53 am to
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Ask the same question about almost any Congressman
Do you have a clue as to what the economy would look like if we had reverted to Obama policies? Masshole voted for the latter!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299634 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:01 am to
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As for your conjecture, you have no clue what I want.


Its very clear. You think all Republicans in Congress should kneel and kiss Trumps feet.

The dysfunctional relationship is a two way street, you cant even acknowledge half the problem.

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55553 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:02 am to
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All I know is Trump could have kept COVID stupidity at bay and he didnt.

No indeed not! He could have done better, especially in the beginning, but covid lunacy was mostly at the state and local levels. Trump had no control of that. And that’s as it should be.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98070 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:04 am to
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Trump is also a RINO.


It took.a Rino to save cuckservatives thats how sad and pathetic you all are

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Why do you support him?


Because he wins

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299634 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:06 am to
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No indeed not! He could have done better, especially in the beginning, but covid lunacy was mostly at the state and local levels.


Paying trillions so people didn't have to work, or operate their business was a federal thing.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138899 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:11 am to
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I don't give a rat's arse if passed legislation coincides 100% with Trump's agenda. If it's too far afoot from the POTUS proposal, Trump can veto it.
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You think all Republicans in Congress should kneel and kiss Trumps feet.
You respond like a functional illiterate.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55553 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:17 am to
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Paying trillions so people didn't have to work, or operate their business was a federal thing.

It was. But people were already not working, due in large part to state and local rules. At that point, the need to stimulate the economy, to avoid a deep recession, is almost irresistible. And had they not done it we might have been plunged into a depression.

We could see Trump’s skepticism in the early days. He would be on the stage watching Fauci at the microphone, and his doubts were manifested in his expression. But it took a while before he had the certainty to buck the consensus. I wish he had acted sooner, but I doubt it would have done much good.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299634 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:19 am to
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You respond like a functional illiterate.




Donny and the Influencers told you people to Hate Massie, and like good foot soldiers yall have. Lockstep, marching to the Catturds of the world.

Trump is endorsing a guy who is a too chickenshit to debate Massie but you dont care, because you think Gallrein winning will be some kind of victory for Trump.

Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13229 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:21 am to
Just an observation. People in this topic have said things about him just being a Democrat talking point machine now.

Let’s be honest. The GOP in 2024 ran on affordability and that was taking progressive left wing talking points to punch from the left at the center mass liberals of the opposition.

What exactly have the GOP done on that front? Nothing. It was cynical deployment of similar language to one of the factions within the opponent to divide them. GOP has never cared about affordability and never will because they don’t see it as their job to control the markets.

If the Dems are sounding like Massie now, it might be because they’re doing the same cynical play trying to get libertarians to stay at home or flip.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476713 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:22 am to
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but covid lunacy was mostly at the state and local levels. Trump had no control of that.


He had a lot of control over that, especially in terms of federal spending and other financial support the states knew would come. Instead he passed trillions and trillions of spending, including the clusterfrick that is PPP.

He also could have never declared a national emergency, which would have had impacts on the state level. LINK. While you can justify the initial declaration, he could have removed it by Summer 2020. He did not and kept it going for Biden.

Hell, he could have publicly instructed states not to shut down, etc. He did the opposite. He even scolded states for opening too soon, in some cases.

There was a ton Trump could have done to curtail states from overreacting and he did the opposite at every turn.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299634 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:23 am to
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It was. But people were already not working


Not all, and the ones who hitched their rides to the gravy train didnt want to return to work. So much fraud still being uncovered,

The CARES Act will go down in history is one of the most heinous money grabs when all the fraud is uncovered.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476713 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:24 am to
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Let’s be honest. The GOP in 2024 ran on affordability and that was taking progressive left wing talking points to punch from the left at the center mass liberals of the opposition.

What exactly have the GOP done on that front? Nothing. It was cynical deployment of similar language to one of the factions within the opponent to divide them. GOP has never cared about affordability and never will because they don’t see it as their job to control the markets.

If the Dems are sounding like Massie now, it might be because they’re doing the same cynical play trying to get libertarians to stay at home or flip.


This is correct and an inconvenient truth for the MAGA types who used to/sometimes still do randomly claim to be fiscal conservatives.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138899 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:26 am to
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We could see Trump’s skepticism in the early days. He would be on the stage watching Fauci at the microphone, and his doubts were manifested in his expression. But it took a while before he had the certainty to buck the consensus. I wish he had acted sooner, but I doubt it would have done much good.
By late March - early April 2020, Trump argued, "We have to reopen the economy." The press was horrified. Democrats proclaimed him something akin to a mass murderer. From that point on, closures were the sole doing of state governments.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299634 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:29 am to
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We could see Trump’s skepticism in the early days. He would be on the stage watching Fauci at the microphone, and his doubts were manifested in his expression. But it took a while before he had the certainty to buck the consensus. I wish he had acted sooner, but I doubt it would have done much good.


Declaring a national emergency was giving the green light for states to shut down businesses and live on federal money.


Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55553 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:30 am to
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The CARES Act will go down in history is one of the most heinous money grabs when all the fraud is uncovered.

It won’t be uncovered - at least not much of it. All government spending is rife with fraud. Every company that is sucking at the public teat is ladling campaign contributions onto the politicians who are greasing the skids for them. It stands to reason that emergency government spending will be even more susceptible to fraud. Katrina rebuild, the war on terror, CARES Act, the Gulf Wars, they are all rife with fraud.

Some emergency spending is necessary, though. I don’t think we ever should have shut down our economy for covid. I think, and thought at the time, that it was stupid. But my opinion was in the minority. And given that we shut down, we had to stimulate.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28135 posts
Posted on 5/11/26 at 7:31 am to
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By late March - early April 2020, Trump argued, "We have to reopen the economy." The press was horrified. Democrats proclaimed him something akin to a mass murderer. From that point on, closures were the sole doing of state governments.


You sure? This is from an article dated April 22.

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"I told the governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities," Trump said at his daily coronavirus briefing Wednesday. "But at the same time, he must do what he thinks is right. I want him to do what he thinks is right. But I disagree with him on what he's doing."


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Trump said of Kemp's plan: "I think spas, beauty salons and tattoo parlors and barbershops ... it's just too soon."

"I love those people who use all those things," Trump said, "but they can wait a little bit longer."

"Safety has to predominate," he added.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reverses-course-says-too-soon-georgia-reopen-n1190061
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