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Manafort's lawyer dresses down Mueller's prosecution in closing. A summary.

Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:04 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:04 am
Summary of the Manafort defense lawyer's closing by an attorney with the handle Techno_Fog that I follow on twitter:

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Transcript: Defense closing arguments in the Paul Manafort trial.

Strong closing, putting into question the bank fraud and tax charges, the testimony of Rick Gates.. and the motives of the Special Counsel.

First main argument: If Manafort were undertaking this huge fraud conspiracy, why wasn't he secretive?

Starting on the bank fraud charges...

By the end of 2016, Manafort had a net worth of $21.3 million.

"So why does the gov't come and try to put witnesses on to say he didn't have any money?"

Why is there no evidence the loans supported his lifestyle?

The gov't claimed the bank relied upon a false 2016 profit and loss statement.

The defense points out the bank officer testified that the bank knew Manafort didn't have 2016 income because he was a volunteer on Trump's campaign.

A bank memo exhibit showed losses of $638K

The defense gets to the point of the Special Counsel:

"This is basically a group that has come along and looked at every financial angle, poured through the documents, and tried to find any place that something doesn't match up."

True.

How concerned were the banks about the "fraud"?

"Nobody came forward and said, 'We're concerned about what we're seeing here,' not until the Special Counsel showed up."

In fact, Manafort's $9.5 million property loan was examined by regulators, and "the Office of Comptroller of the Currency did not cite the underlying problems with the loan."

Why were the bank fraud charges added to suggest "some elaborate fraud scheme"?

"To give you (the jury) a sense that everything is so overwhelming that there's only one conclusion."


As to the conspiracy charges:

If Manafort conspired to commit bank fraud with Rick Gates... then why wasn't Gates required "to plead guilty to any bank fraud charges"?

There was some issue as to whether Manafort disclosed material facts to the banks.

They give two examples of a bank official thanking Manafort for clearing up the status of the properties.

Another issue was whether Manafort disclosed a home (in NY, I believe) would be a residence or rental

Here we have evidence of the bank's knowledge that it is a rental, and that Manafort's primary residence was in Florida.

More on the Special Counsel:

"People do not get prosecuted by typical Justice Department prosecutors when what they have done is had some issue about whether their property is being rented or personally owned and it changes."

100% true

As to another big loan.. Was there fraud?

No fraud because the bank secured itself "by having collateral that was millions of dollars over the debt"

The Special Counsel called these "buddy loans," but the numbers don't add up.

The numbers were 60% loan to collateral value, and 70% loan to collateral value.

The bank made hundreds of thousands of dollars... Manafort was being charged 7.25% interest.

Now they start hitting Rick Gates.

"On the first question out of the box, he fell apart and showed himself to be the liar that he is."

I believe this is the moment Manafort's lawyer is citing to, where Gates showed himself to be a liar. (Thread on transcript of cross-examination)

Manafort's lawyer accuses Rick Gates, the Special Counsel's star witness, of filing false tax returns in the middle of the Special Counsel's investigation.

Discussion on how the Special Counsel prepped Gates over 20 times and how he was "flawless on direct."

"But on cross-examination he fell apart."

The Special Counsel made the deal with Gates "because they were so desperate to try to make the case."

Attacks on Gates are nice, but the tax returns are a huge issue.

They concede "there may be falsities on those returns." (No choice but to concede that fact.)

However... "That's an issue that could have been taken care of in an audit."

I won't get into the weeds of their tax arguments (classification of loans, shareholder distributions, etc.)

But this is interesting. An IRS Agent testified he on a chart prepped by the FBI to determine income.

Had he looked at the source documents? He "looked at some."


And then there's the issue of Manafort and Gates' meeting with the FBI in 2014.

How can there be a "grand concealment" when Manafort told Gates to "Tell [the FBI] everything, be open about this" in 2014?

How is there concealment if Manafort disclosed "the existence of the offshore accounts and their location, the banks that they were at, to the FBI" in 2014?

One more jab at Gates..

"He was orchestrating a multimillion dollar embezzlement scheme and he was trying to keep it outside of the purview of the accountants."

and then the closing request for the jury to find Manafort not guilty of all charges.


Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:12 am to
I haven't followed this very closesly. What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:21 am to
So they never mentioned that RR passed on this case previously? I thought they would try to slip that in somehow.

Only takes one juror.

Given these facts it seems Manafort deserves and audit from the IRS and corrections to tax payments along with penalties. But not jail time.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:21 am to
quote:

I haven't followed this very closesly. What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?


Slim to none unless the jury understands that these were a kangaroo charges to get him to “compose”. Likely will get hit on the tax issues because it is what it is. The rest was garbage.
Posted by Bourre
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:21 am to
quote:

What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?


I don’t know but if he does, I plan on taking off work and enjoying the tears of the clowns all day
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:23 am to
quote:

What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?

The trial is in Virginia. Venue matters.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:23 am to
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Likely will get hit on the tax issues because it is what it is. The rest was garbage.


In the closing argument the defense seemed to make a good point about his taxes. That he was on a list to be looked at, and that this would have been addressed without criminal proceedings.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:25 am to
Did you see where the Gates testimony was such a shite show that the prosecution basically told the jury to forget about that and that the real star witness are Manafort’s lies and paper trail?
Posted by SSpaniel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:26 am to
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Likely will get hit on the tax issues


And CNN, MSNBC and their ilk will say "Look.. Manafort's the first defendant in Trump's Collusion with Russia to be found guilty. Can Trump be far behind?"
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:28 am to
quote:

I haven't followed this very closesly. What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?




If that were to happen, there would probably be automatic deaths on both sides of the aisle... On the right, death by erection and on the left death by melt...

minimum 50 million drop dead immediately...
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118668 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:28 am to
quote:

I haven't followed this very closesly. What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?


If the case were in southern VA I'd say 100%.

But since the case is located in NOVA, 50%.

The jury pool matters. NOVA is full of NeverTrumpers.

Posted by OchoDedos
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:30 am to
I heard recently Mueller didnt charge Manafort with all they had. They purposely held back to file in DC Federal Court as a backup, in case of a hung jury or acquittal.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118668 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:30 am to
quote:

Did you see where the Gates testimony was such a shite show that the prosecution basically told the jury to forget about that and that the real star witness are Manafort’s lies and paper trail?




I did.

I presented a summary of the cross examination of Gates here. Gates was totally discredited and the judge even called out Gates on the stand for lying.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:31 am to
quote:

I heard recently Mueller didnt charge Manafort with all they had. They purposely held back to file in DC Federal Court as a backup, in case of a hung jury or acquittal.


The optics of this alone are going to be terrible.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118668 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:36 am to
quote:

I heard recently Mueller didnt charge Manafort with all they had. They purposely held back to file in DC Federal Court as a backup, in case of a hung jury or acquittal.




That makes sense. However if Manafort gets acquitted there is going to be so much political pressure including many on the left to end the SC it may be overwhelming.

After all this time and money all Muller will have to show are a couple of process crimes and indicting Russian bots. That's going to frustrate the left who had high expectation of perp walking Donald Trump from the White House and back filling the presidency with Hillary.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:39 am to
Manafort was given the option of facing all of his charges in one trial, but chose to face trial in both districts instead.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 8:40 am
Posted by Walkthedawg
Dawg Pound
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:40 am to
Geitner didn't pay taxes and became the treasury secretary for the boy king:

LOL
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98474 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:41 am to
quote:

I haven't followed this very closesly. What are the odds that Manafort gets off scott free?


By the jury? Slight (conviction rate in federal courts is well into the 90% [hovering in the mid 90s]).

By the judge tossing any guilty verdict? Higher, but still unlikely.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118668 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:00 am to
quote:

By the jury? Slight (conviction rate in federal courts is well into the 90% [hovering in the mid 90s]).



Their conviction rate is very high because federal prosecutors rarely take risk. They would rather plead out the case before going to trial. I believe Mueller took more risk than the average federal prosecutor in this case due to political pressure.

If Manafort wasn't Trump's campaign manager for a few months this case would have never seen the light of day.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11804 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:14 am to
Trump is going to pardon Manafort if he loses anyway.
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