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Posted on 4/12/25 at 2:37 pm to 4cubbies
quote:That is simply not true.
Israel doesn’t issue citizenship or passports to Palestinians in Jerusalem either.
Even if you narrowed your incorrect claim to East Jerusalem where the majority of Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, there is still a pathway to Israeli citizenship for them. It is challenging, but it definitively exists. 1-in-20 EJP's are Israeli citizens.
Regarding passports for EJPs, those who are not citizens are given Israeli Laissez-Passers. ILPs resemble passports, and allow holders to leave and return to Israel and travel abroad. But they don’t confer consular protections like a passport.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 2:37 pm to Bunk Moreland
Thanks for the input, Achmed.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 2:41 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:
"Yes, Mahmoud Khalil does have a habeas corpus case. His lawyers filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in New Jersey federal court [1, 2, 5]. The petition challenges his arrest by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and seeks his release, arguing the arrest violated his First Amendment rights. The New Jersey court has agreed to hear the case, and the government is appealing to have it moved to Louisiana, where Khalil was eventually transferred"
So it is possible that a court coukd rule on the Constitutionality of the statute (or is it a Reg?) authorizing SecOfState to deport based on speech.
The problem might be that the lying on his visa application would make his 1st amendment claims moot. And I am sure the govt will have an argument on proper jurisdiction.
This case is definitely not over.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 2:48 pm to Penrod
Think he would have gotten this treatment if he said something against say, Ireland? Spain? Italy? Iceland?..etc, etc, etc, etc.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 2:48 pm to JimEverett
quote:
So it is possible that a court coukd rule on the Constitutionality of the statute (or is it a Reg?) authorizing SecOfState to deport based on speech.
The problem might be that the lying on his visa application would make his 1st amendment claims moot. And I am sure the govt will have an argument on proper jurisdiction.
This case is definitely not over.
Well the Government asserts he lied, his defense says he didn't. Who's telling the truth? We'll find out.
What I've learned Jim. What I think most of us have learned over the last four years (if not much longer), is that when the Government alleges wrong doing or slings accusations at people. Absolutely, positively don't take it at face value.
Maybe you feel the same way, I don’t know. But what I do know is there are heavy domestic and international politics attached to this and I don't trust this iteration of American Government anymore than I trusted the last one.
You've been good to chew on this with.
This post was edited on 4/12/25 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:08 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:
Well the Government asserts he lied, his defense says he didn't. Who's telling the truth? We'll find out.
Does the Secretary of State have discretion to pull visas? If so, does the administrative judge have to power to negate that?
Posted on 4/12/25 at 3:19 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
Does the Secretary of State have discretion to pull visas? If so, does the administrative judge have to power to negate that?
You have several moving parts here. On the immigratiin court side it seems clear, or at least likely, that as long as SecofState follows the proper procedure his decision will be upheld.
The federal district court can review the constitutionality of the statute/reg giving the SecofState the power to do what he did.
And, even if the district court rules violation of 1st amendment it appears the gov't has other reasons to deport.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 4:44 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
Does the Secretary of State have discretion to pull visas? If so, does the administrative judge have to power to negate that?
Yes Rubio has the authority. He's supposed to do it only if the person speaks out and/or demonstrates against US interests but it Rubio's call on that.
Posted on 4/12/25 at 5:55 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:
lack of due process
You know due process doesn't mean "more protections than the law allows that make me feel good"
Right?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 3:13 am to tommyga
quote:
Think he would have gotten this treatment if he said something against say, Ireland? Spain? Italy? Iceland?..etc
Posted on 4/13/25 at 6:23 am to tommyga
quote:Let's put it differently. Let's first put it in terms of what was said, and what was done.
Think he would have gotten this treatment if he said something against say, Ireland? Spain? Italy? Iceland?..etc
Khalil's group, CUAD, supports statements such as "Zionists don't deserve to live" and people should be grateful we aren't "just going out and murdering Zionists." During protests and encampments organized by CUAD in late 2023 and early 2024, Jewish students were told to "go back to Poland," blocked from campus facilities, spat on, chased out of dorms, pinned against walls, and subjected to chants like "kill all the Jews."
?Mahmoud Khalil, as a prominent figure in CUAD, not only did not issue a public apology for those antisemitic incidents, he recently criticized Columbia University's administration, comparing their actions to those of Nazi collaborators for suppressing student dissent under the guise of combating antisemitism. He also questioned the legitimacy of reported fears among Jewish students, labeling them as exaggerated.
Now let's set aside the stupidity of accusing those trying to put down antisemitism as being "Nazis." Regarding Ireland? Spain? Italy? Iceland?..etc.. What if Khalil's behavior was directed at Blacks instead of Jews. Would he have gotten this treatment?
IDK
... but he sure as hell would have deserved it, regardless.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:00 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Khalil's group, CUAD, supports statements such as "Zionists don't deserve to live" and people should be grateful we aren't "just going out and murdering Zionists." During protests and encampments organized by CUAD in late 2023 and early 2024, Jewish students were told to "go back to Poland," blocked from campus facilities, spat on, chased out of dorms, pinned against walls, and subjected to chants like "kill all the Jews."
But but he should be allowed to stay!
Imagine going to bat for this guy. Da fuq is wrong with some of you?
For example - Bunk IMO is off base for his anti Israel diatribe however he shouldn’t be arrested, jailed, other. That’s just how he thinks.
However, if Bunk was an active participant in a group that not only preaches hate speech, but actively promotes it, then yea - GTFO. It’s a privilege to be in this country as a foreigner, not a right.
Deal with it.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:32 am to idlewatcher
quote:
not only preaches hate speech
Is it hate speech to say all Palestinians in Gaza should be killed?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:39 am to Penrod
quote:
Think he would have gotten this treatment if he said something against say, Ireland? Spain? Italy? Iceland?..etc
If he was blocking Spaish-American or Italian-American students from attending class and having anti Spaish and/or anti Italian rallies filled with hateful statements. Then yeah I'd say you got to deport him. Foreigners don't have the same rights as US citizens here. Why is that so hard to understand?
What if you had a guest stay in your house and he started trashing it and/or speaking bad of your family? Are you going allow him to stay?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:44 am to tommyga
quote:
Think he would have gotten this treatment if he said something against say, Ireland? Spain? Italy? Iceland?..etc, etc, etc, etc.
I did not know that those countries were aligned with Iran.
The more you know.
Posted on 4/13/25 at 7:55 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Assuming no qualifiers, yes.
Is it hate speech to say all Palestinians in Gaza should be killed?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:02 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Assuming no qualifiers, yes.
Not wanting too much pre-church skirmishing, what qualifiers would shield "kill all Palestinians in Gaza" from being hate speech?
Thanks for the answer. I really am just trying to understand peoples' perspectives.
This post was edited on 4/13/25 at 8:07 am
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:10 am to IvoryBillMatt
You clowns are still knighting for this trash?
Posted on 4/13/25 at 8:12 am to TDTOM
quote:
You clowns are still knighting for this trash?
Is calling Palestinians "trash" hate speech?
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