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re: Luke Cage or Black Panther?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 5:49 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 9/3/19 at 5:49 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Fair enough.
Not really. Black Dynamite is a spoof.
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 6:38 pm to AggieHank86
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Which is the worse example of neo-Blaxploitation in the Marvel Universe? Why?
Both characters have been around for decades.
Just wasted 60 seconds posting in this thread.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 6:44 pm to The Maj
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Wow the politics of comic books....
The left politicizes everything. Every. Thing.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 6:53 pm to AggieHank86
There is only one black super hero for me.
The Brown Hornet!
The Brown Hornet!
Posted on 9/3/19 at 6:56 pm to Flats
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The left politicizes everything. Every. Thing.
Say what you want, but the usual list of characters trying to politicize the M/TV board ain't from the left.
Parmen and CAD probably have some posts they can copy and paste into this thread.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 6:57 pm to TerryDawg03
quote:Two legitimate posts on an entire thread. I am trying to have a conversation in a room populated primarily by rhesus monkeys.quote:Both characters have been around for decades.
Which is the worse example of neo-Blaxploitation in the Marvel Universe? Why?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:12 pm to AggieHank86
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Two legitimate posts on an entire thread. I am trying to have a conversation in a room populated primarily by rhesus monkeys.
It’s almost as if being pointlessly argumentative 95% of the time impacts how people respond to you the other 5%
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:13 pm to Flats
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It’s almost as if being pointlessly argumentative 95% of the time impacts how people respond to you the other 5%
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:19 pm to Flats
quote:bullshite.
It’s almost as if being pointlessly argumentative 95% of the time impacts how people respond to you the other 5%
I admit to being a smartass on maybe 10-20% of my initial posts, but the rest are mostly just thoughts and analyses that vary from the majority. 95% of the responses to me are non-substantive, and about half of those are purely personal attacks and about 40% are posters who completely mischaracterize what I said ... though in many cases I cannot say whether that mischaracterization arises from ill motives, illiteracy or pure stupidity.
I try to correct the mischaracterizations, and a distressing percentage will continue to argue that I said something completely different from what I actually said. Yep, exchanges with those morons can last a while.
Yeah, I also get back into the faces of those making personal attacks, when they lack the cerebral horsepower to engage in actual analysis. No apologies for that, because I do NOT do so as long as the other party is not engaging in personal attacks.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:54 pm to AggieHank86
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bullshite. I admit to being a smartass on maybe 10-20% of my initial posts, but the rest are mostly just thoughts and analyses that vary from the majority. 95% of the responses to me are non-substantive, and about half of those are purely personal attacks. Yeah, I get back into the faces of those making personal attacks without the cerebral horsepower to engage in actual analysis. No apologies for that.
Maybe you shouldn't put yourself forth as being exceptional. Look at this post, for example. Are your thoughts and analysis that varied from the norm? Are other responses really non-substantive? Do others really lack the cerebral horsepower to engage with you? You come across as arrogant and condescending. You're not as smart as you think you are and others aren't as dumb as you wish them to be.
As far as this thread goes, there's nothing "neo-blaxploitative" about Black Panther or Luke Cage. It's fricking insulting to black people that you tried to characterize them as such. Are black people allowed to have black-focused cinema without people like you trying to peg them as being used in some fashion? Maybe they're just stories based on long-running comics. If you understood the medium your opinion might not suck as much. Black people enjoyed Black Panther for the same reasons they liked Blade. A black super hero on the big screen; something that isn't depicted very often. Why shite on that with your pseudo-intellectual hot take?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:00 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:After this rant, I can only infer that you are unfamiliar with the Blaxploitation film genre, primarily from the 1970s.
there's nothing "neo-blaxploitative" about Black Panther or Luke Cage. It's fricking insulting to black people that you tried to characterize them as such. Are black people allowed to have black-focused cinema without people like you trying to peg them as being used in some fashion? Maybe they're just stories based on long-running comics. If you understood the medium your opinion might not suck as much. Black people enjoyed Black Panther for the same reasons they liked Blade. A black super hero on the big screen; something that isn't depicted very often. Why shite on that with your pseudo-intellectual hot take?
The simple facts are that those films were directed primarily toward a Black audience AND that they did well with that audience. That is neither insulting nor condescending. It is simply an analysis of a filmmaking genre, and hardly a controversial one.
If you do not think that either film falls within the same genre as Shaft, Superfly, and Foxy Brown, you are certainly free to voice that opinion. Exploring those notions is why I started the thread.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:01 pm to AggieHank86
?
I liked them both
I liked them both
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:04 pm to Saint Alfonzo
I love it when he whitesplains to our black friends.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:12 pm to BigJim
quote:So did I.
I liked them both
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
After this rant, I can only infer that you are unfamiliar with tje Blaxploitation film genre, primarily from the 1970s. The simple facts are that those films were directed primarily toward a Black audience AND that they did well with that audience. That is neither insulting nor condescending. It is simply an analysis of a filmmaking genre, and hardly a controversial one.
See, there you go again with that snarky "I'm smarter than you" bullshite. What's condescending is you think Black Panther is blaxploitation because black people enjoyed it. Even though it's a big budget blockbuster movie that's part of an over-arching cinematic universe with a broad audience and not a low budget anti-establishment film. Maybe if they put Huggie Bear and Pam Grier's tits in the sequel your idiotic argument would hold water.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:18 pm to AggieHank86
I could maybe see a 70s black movie angle to Luke Cage but not BP, which I thought was pretty overrated for obvious reasons but not exploitative. Pandering, yes, but I can't find an exploitation angle.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:18 pm to Possumslayer
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You read comics.... not surprised
You’re an idiot. A great number of comic readers are more conservative in their views and hate the sjw bull crap that is being pushed in modern comics.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:24 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:See, there YOU go again, claiming I said something that I did not remotely say. NOWHERE did I say that BP was Blaxploitation just because Black folks like the film. Those are YOUR words.
What's condescending is you think Black Panther is blaxploitation because black people enjoyed it. Even though it's a big budget blockbuster movie that's part of an over-arching cinematic universe with a broad audience and not a low budget anti-establishment film. Maybe if they put Huggie Bear and Pam Grier's tits in the sequel your idiotic argument would hold water.
Your overall comment is indicative of PC culture. You are afraid to explore the simple question of whether a film falls into a defined genre, SIMPLY because that genre is race-related. Would you express the same reticence about a discussion of whether Sword of Shanarra is more SciFi (post-Apoxolypse) or “Fantasy?” Of course not.
Is Black Panther a Blaxploitation film? I am not afraid to conduct that analysis, and it is sad that you ARE. The film features an idealized Black society, depicts Black technology as superior to White technology, and portrays “Whitey” as an evil enemy (in the eyes of some characters, at a minimum).
Luke Cage is almost a textbook example, right down to the music selection.
I enjoyed the Black Panther film, and I enjoyed the Luke Cage series (1st season only, thus far). I will be watching Luke in Defenders AND in the remaining seasons of the series.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:28 pm to AggieHank86
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See,there YOU go again, claiming I said something that I did not remotely say.
quote:
The simple facts are that those films were directed primarily toward a Black audience AND that they did well with that audience.
Are those not your words?
quote:
Your comment is indicative of PC culture. You are afraid to explore the simple question of whether a film falls into a defined genre, SIMPLY because that genre is race-related. Would you express the same reticence about a discussion of whether Sword of Shanarra is more SciFi (post-Apoxolypse) or “Fantasy?” Of course not. Is Black Panther a Blaxploitation film? I am not afraid to conduct that analysis, and it is sad that you ARE. The features an idealized Black society, depicts Black technology as superior to White technology, and portrays “Whitey” as an evil enemy (in the eyes of some characters, at a minimum).
My comments have nothing to do with PC culture or Sword of Shannara, stay on topic. Name a blaxploitation film where black technology is superior or black society is idealized.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:32 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Of course, I wrote those words about Blaxploitation films of the 1970s. There is NOTHING controversial about that description.quote:The simple facts are that those films were directed primarily toward a Black audience AND that they did well with that audience.
Are these not your words?
Your misrepresentation was with regard to the language that I BOLDFACED for you in YOUR post, you dullard.
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