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re: Luke Cage or Black Panther?
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:16 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:16 pm to AggieHank86
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Of course, I wrote those words about Blaxploitation films of the 1970s. There is NOTHING controversial about that description. Your misrepresentation was with regard to the language that I BOLDFACED for you in YOUR post, you dullard.
So let me get this straight. You describe blaxploitation films of the seventies as being aimed primarily at a black audience and that they did well. By your definition, black people enjoyed BP, a movie made with them in mind. But now enjoyment of the film is no longer in your blaxploitation equation.
So what points are you basing your comparison on? Go ahead and examine Black Panther as blaxploitation because you have not done so. What similarities do they have? Low budget? Nope. Anti-establishment? Nope. Idealized black society? Nope. Advanced technology? Nope. Whitey as the enemy? Nope. Huggie Bear or June Bug? Nope. Pam Grier's tatas? Nope. Make your case.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 9:19 pm
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:41 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Back on page 1 he used this:
For starters, let's nix the last sentence because it's just silly. Tons of films have sex, violence and heroes defeating villains and/or the establishment; Dirty Harry films typically had the hero defeating both. I've never heard Dirty Harry called whiteploitation.
If there's an exploitation angle there it's that the negatives of the ghetto were glorified and romanticized, when the reality was that it probably sucked living in a 70s ghetto. Luke Cage had the feel/style of some of those films but that's about it (IMO) and BP didn't do any of that. It used a noble jungle as a noble jungle. Aside from the single aspect of the "kill the man to be the man" aspect Wakanda was an actual paradise, not lipstick on a pig.
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films ... set in the contemporary urban milieu, they romanticized the iconography of the black ghetto — its subcultural styles in dress, speech, behaviour and attitudes — and glorified the ghetto as a kind of noble jungle. The films often contained a lot of sex and violence, and their heroes were invariably shown coming out on top in confrontations with the white establishment.
For starters, let's nix the last sentence because it's just silly. Tons of films have sex, violence and heroes defeating villains and/or the establishment; Dirty Harry films typically had the hero defeating both. I've never heard Dirty Harry called whiteploitation.
If there's an exploitation angle there it's that the negatives of the ghetto were glorified and romanticized, when the reality was that it probably sucked living in a 70s ghetto. Luke Cage had the feel/style of some of those films but that's about it (IMO) and BP didn't do any of that. It used a noble jungle as a noble jungle. Aside from the single aspect of the "kill the man to be the man" aspect Wakanda was an actual paradise, not lipstick on a pig.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:37 pm to AggieHank86
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hich is the worse example of neo-Blaxploitation in the Marvel Universe? Why?
Go on YouTube and look for a channel named Comicstorian. He and a few others have series dedicated to the topic of blaxploitation in comics.
Personally I like Luke Cage more.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:12 pm to Flats
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For starters, let's nix the last sentence
Let's nix the first sentence as well, you know, for the PC crowd. What kind of asshat calls the ghetto a jungle? It's ok, he's a film critic.
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set in the contemporary urban milieu, they romanticized the iconography of the black ghetto — its subcultural styles in dress, speech, behaviour and attitudes — and glorified the ghetto as a kind of noble jungle.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 11:18 pm to AggieHank86
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Black Panther
Wasn't this a poster for black people by and large that they have broken through another barrier?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 12:00 am to AggieHank86
I'll be honest: I don't really care. Enjoyed both. BP was a little overrated because the cultural ballyhoo got out of hand, but it was a solid film in the MCU arc.
Posted on 9/4/19 at 12:27 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 9/4/19 at 5:37 am to AggieHank86
Shut up
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:09 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:13 am to AggieHank86
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set in the contemporary urban milieu, they romanticized the iconography of the black ghetto — its subcultural styles in dress, speech, behaviour and attitudes — and glorified the ghetto as a kind of noble jungle. The films often contained a lot of sex and violence, and their heroes were invariably shown coming out on top in confrontations with the white establishment.
How is this not rap music to a T?
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:34 am to Strannix
I'm gonna git ya sucka, dirty mother- don't say that!
Posted on 9/4/19 at 6:41 am to AggieHank86
I find both of these interesting for different reasons.
In Luke Cage there is rampant corruption in the local black politicians, so Cage really isn't overcoming white people to save his community, he is overcoming other blacks. If a white guy was taking down corrupt black politicians it would be racist even if it were noble.
In Black Panther it's rich black people against poor black people and the only difference is that one group got blessed with magic metal.
Both of these movies/comics say the same thing that whites get labeled racist for, swaps out the whites with blacks, and voila you have black cultural icons.
In Luke Cage there is rampant corruption in the local black politicians, so Cage really isn't overcoming white people to save his community, he is overcoming other blacks. If a white guy was taking down corrupt black politicians it would be racist even if it were noble.
In Black Panther it's rich black people against poor black people and the only difference is that one group got blessed with magic metal.
Both of these movies/comics say the same thing that whites get labeled racist for, swaps out the whites with blacks, and voila you have black cultural icons.
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