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re: Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:11 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:11 pm to Robin Masters
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So you admit to being a hypocrite.
No. I'm pointing out many people melting at my comments, are.
My standards are the same no matter race, creed, age, sex, religion or country of origin. That was the point (which went WAY over your head, even though it was made quite plainly and directly).
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You keep using those words. I don’t think you know what them mean.
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A straw man fallacy is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.
This
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people like you want to mutter “free trade” and suggest we should have known the people we elected were actually crooks.
Qualifies.
I never made that argument. I don't think that argument waas made by anyone.
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No, because I grew up poor and still mingle with the poor more than most people on this board.
And how does that take context into account? You are not an idiot but your failure or unwillingness to examine this through a lens that isn’t your own is problematic. That’s not critical thinking.
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This argument would hold more water if other minorities hadn't succeeded.
Someone’s ability to succeed despite barriers doesn’t remove the barriers for them or anyone else.
quote:you admit they weren’t treated as owned property by the government and society at large for hundreds of years. The media/government hasn’t conditioned society to fear Asians, or labeled them super-predators, nor is there evidence that Asians convicted of crimes receive harsher penalties than other races for the same offenses.
Asians faced similar discrimination historically (not subjugation, but even then they experienced it) and several cohorts of Asians earn more than white people do.
Apples and oranges.
ETA: I’m not sure what to make of your use of the laughing emoticon. Odd choice.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I'm pointing out many people melting at my comments, are. My standards are the same no matter race, creed, age, sex, religion or country of origin. That was the point (which went WAY over your head, even though it was made quite plainly and directly).
My mistake. I read too fast and didn’t catch where you said Trump voters cheered what you said.
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Qualifies. I never made that argument. I don't think that argument waas made by anyone.
You literally claimed “free trade” in the comment I responded to as a catxh all.
And of course they are crooks, that is implied and known by all. Otherwise pleas point me to the union endorsed candidates who ran on “destroying domestic manufacturing” for the sake of globalism.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:25 pm to Robin Masters
Unions exist to defy market wages.
They are decidedly leftist.
They are decidedly leftist.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:28 pm to Robin Masters
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You literally claimed “free trade” in the comment I responded to as a catxh all.
And your comment included more, like
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and suggest we should have known the people we elected were actually crooks.
I never made that argument.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I never made that argument.
You said say they should have known better.
Numerous time.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:37 pm to 4cubbies
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And how does that take context into account?
Being amongst them doesn't give insight?
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but your failure or unwillingness to examine this through a lens that isn’t your own is problematic.
That's not true. I just reject most of their perception.
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you admit they weren’t treated as owned property by the government and society at large for hundreds of years.
And how is that relevant to a discussion of 2025?
Did they have the same racial-segregation experience that black people did after slavery? Yes. Even then, that was a long time ago.
And I'm not saying they're doing better than black people. I'm saying they're doing better than white people.
I think you failed to comprehend the scope and impact of that statement.
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The media/government hasn’t conditioned society to fear Asians,
No. Never.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:37 pm to Robin Masters
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You said say they should have known better.
Yes. Nothing about "elected officials".
That's your ramblings that you interjected trying to describe one of my arguments. That's a strawman
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
As a lifelong democrat, it is sad we sold out the middle class forty years ago.
Am I doing it right?
Am I doing it right?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:48 pm to FreedomAir
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As a lifelong democrat, it is sad we sold out the middle class forty years ago.
Am I doing it right?
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes. Nothing about "elected officials". That's your ramblings that you interjected trying to describe one of my arguments. That's a strawman
You’ve invoked “free trade” and you’ve said numerous times they should have known better. Now if you are disputing that politicians are not crooks then you’re just too far gone on the contrarian spectrum for me.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:53 pm to Robin Masters
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Now if you are disputing that politicians are not crooks then you’re just too far gone on the contrarian spectrum for me.
Politicians have nothing to do with individuals failing to adapt to changing economies.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
So adapt to temp tariffs.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Politicians have nothing to do with individuals failing to adapt to changing economies.
When their policies directly facilitate the decimation and they hold themselves out to be the savior of domestic manufacturing for 40+ years they most certainly do.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:unless you were raised by or lived with descendants of slaves, no. Growing up your version of poor doesn’t mean you completed an ethnography of black people in America.
Being amongst them doesn't give insight?
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That's not true. I just reject most of their perception.
Your evidence is essentially that you, a white man and member of the most privileged demographic in the world, were able to accomplish something, therefore the most marginalized demographic in America should be able to achieve the same status as you.
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And how is that relevant to a discussion of 2025?
This is the context you’re ignoring.
quote:I did misread that. Apologies.
I'm saying they're doing better than white people.
I’m not saying Asians were never discriminated against. They certainly were. The systemic racism black people have experienced for hundreds of years cannot be equated to the experiences of Asians in America. Women, like black men, were denied the right to vote and own property, etc. Banks did not have to allow women to open bank accounts until 1974. None of that means women faced the same discrimination black people did and still do.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:57 pm to Jbird
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So adapt to temp tariffs.
Lol. Boom roasted!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:57 pm to 4cubbies
fricking God you are insufferably stupid.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 2:58 pm to Jbird
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:00 pm to 4cubbies
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you, a white man and member of the most privileged demographic in the world, were able to accomplish something, therefore the most marginalized demographic in America should be able to achieve the same status as you.
No. This strawman is not my argument
Even if you could recreate me in a lab but change my skin color, growing up in a pathological culture raised by uneducated parents creates an increased likelihood of suboptimal results.
I'm not blaming the individuals. I'm blaming the culture. I'm sad that the pathologies of this culture rob so many of them of a future.
Same with the white people in the Rust belt who refused to adapt with a changing society who find themselves in similar positions with similar pathologies.
I've said multiple times on here the one political issue that makes me emotional is how schools protect bad kids with no future, because that cradling robs so many good-decent kids thwarting the culture by forcing the bad kids to ruin schools. This policy has robbed so many futures of so many poor, black children that it legit makes me mad. I grew up around that shite. It's terrible.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 3:01 pm to Jbird
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So adapt to temp tariffs.
People will. The results will be suboptimal overall.
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