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Louisiana Legislature could undo 'Raise the Age' next month, Senate president says
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:02 am
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During next month’s special session on crime, the Legislature will likely consider undoing a key criminal justice reform that raised the age of criminal responsibility to 18, state Senate President Cameron Henry said this week.
Known as “Raise the Age,” the 2016 law required that Louisiana treat teens under 18 as juveniles for all but the most serious offenses. It was passed in part to protect youth from abuse in adult prisons. Previously, the state automatically arrested and prosecuted 17-year-olds as adults.
But Henry said that if the Legislature does roll back the law, it will have to ensure the state has the resources to implement the changes while following federal and state guidelines for the incarceration of youth. Federal law requires sight and sound separation between incarcerated minors and adults.
One solution could involve creating new facilities for teens aged 17 to 19, Henry said.
“(Raise the Age) seems to have had significant problems in Louisiana, and I think that’s one of the things that is going to be addressed. But again, it’s how you address it,” he said.
Some Republicans have blamed Raise the Age for what they say was a juvenile violent crime spike during the COVID-19 pandemic, though they have not provided evidence to support that notion.
The prospect of undoing the reform worries juvenile justice advocates who say it brought Louisiana in line with other states and was backed by science that suggests youth should be treated differently from adults.
“Think about the difference between yourself as a 17-year-old and yourself as a 25-year-old. They’re totally different people,” said Richard Pittman, the director of juvenile defender services for the Louisiana Public Defender Board.
Pittman did not think lowering the age to 17 would deter teens from committing crimes in the way some people seem to expect, he said, adding that consequences for juveniles can already be quite severe.
Under Louisiana law, juveniles charged with violent crimes such as rape and murder are still tried in adult court.
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:04 am to 4cubbies
It’s a step in the right direction.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:05 am to lsufan1971
How do you figure?
Looks like it would cost the state a lot of money to implement this legally.
Looks like it would cost the state a lot of money to implement this legally.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:05 am to 4cubbies
“Protect 17 year olds who rape and murder!”
“Protect a woman’s right to murder her unborn child!”
“Protect a woman’s right to murder her unborn child!”
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:06 am to Paddyshack
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This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:06 am to Paddyshack
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“Protect 17 year olds who rape and murder!”
17 year olds who rape and murder are tried as adults.
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“Protect a woman’s right to murder her unborn child!”
Abortion is banned in Louisiana.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:08 am to 4cubbies
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17 year olds who rape and murder are tried as adults.
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Abortion is banned in Louisiana.
And what is your stance on this?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:12 am to Paddyshack
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And what is your stance on this?
On abortion being banned in Louisiana?
Well, as a mother, I can't imagine being forced to carry a baby to term and deliver her knowing she wouldn't live past a few minutes after birth. That seems incredibly cruel.
I would like to see Louisiana provide more support for mothers so that abortion would never seem like the best response to an unplanned pregnancy. I am more concerned with supporting our citizens than legislating problems away.
ETA: none of this has anything to do with this thread though.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:16 am to 4cubbies
I could give 2 shitz about your age.
When you rape, murder or seriously harm an innocent person, you go to the trash heap.
"Reform" is a Liberal fantasy, there are some lines you cross and you just don't get to come back.
It's God's job to forgive you.
When you rape, murder or seriously harm an innocent person, you go to the trash heap.
"Reform" is a Liberal fantasy, there are some lines you cross and you just don't get to come back.
It's God's job to forgive you.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:17 am to 4cubbies
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I can't imagine being forced to carry a baby to term and deliver her knowing she wouldn't live past a few minutes after birth. That seems incredibly cruel.
Do you have any idea what percentage of pregnancies put a woman’s life in danger? I’m guessing not.
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I would like to see Louisiana provide more support for mothers so that abortion would never seem like the best response to an unplanned pregnancy. I am more concerned with supporting our citizens than legislating problems away.
Would you like to see consenting adults take responsibility for their sexual activity? Everyone over the age of 13 knows what happens when you have sex. The government and more importantly, the taxpayers, are not responsible for funding the mother’s poor decisions or for funding their abortion as a result of those poor decisions.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:24 am to 4cubbies
Just got through having a chat with someone in-the-know on legislative things. It looks like we may see the biggest push yet for a state constitutional convention either this session or next.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:38 am to 4cubbies
Charges 16 year olds and up (or 15, whatever age) as adults.
Until they turn 18 or 21 or whatever age, house them in juvenile facilities.
When they turn that age, transfer them to an adult prison.
Is there any reason we could not do that?
There's plenty of 19 year olds, 20 year olds, etc in regular prison, why does he use 25 as a differentiator?
If the sentences are longer, at least it keeps them off the street longer. It might not prevent the original crime from happening, but it will prevent additional crimes happening if they get out sooner.
Until they turn 18 or 21 or whatever age, house them in juvenile facilities.
When they turn that age, transfer them to an adult prison.
Is there any reason we could not do that?
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“Think about the difference between yourself as a 17-year-old and yourself as a 25-year-old. They’re totally different people,” said Richard Pittman, the director of juvenile defender services for the Louisiana Public Defender Board.
There's plenty of 19 year olds, 20 year olds, etc in regular prison, why does he use 25 as a differentiator?
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Pittman did not think lowering the age to 17 would deter teens from committing crimes in the way some people seem to expect, he said, adding that consequences for juveniles can already be quite severe.
If the sentences are longer, at least it keeps them off the street longer. It might not prevent the original crime from happening, but it will prevent additional crimes happening if they get out sooner.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:39 am to Bard
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Just got through having a chat with someone in-the-know on legislative things. It looks like we may see the biggest push yet for a state constitutional convention either this session or next.
Unless it is a massive revamp of state government, which results in pushing massive amounts of power and spending down to the parish level... it's a waste of time.
I don't want a constitutional convention to keep the same stuff we have plus have an article that says that gays are bad.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:41 am to 4cubbies
Our juvenile detention facilities are overflowing. This will only increase the innate count. Step 1 should be constructed a new prison to house juvenile inmates. Put it right next to Angola with a swamp in between. Let them watch the Angola prisoners work the fields and let it be motivation to not end up there.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:03 am to LSUFanHouston
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Unless it is a massive revamp of state government, which results in pushing massive amounts of power and spending down to the parish level... it's a waste of time.
Considering the caliber of legislators we elect, I doubt we see power movement to the parishes. The issue is that everything could be on the table from trannies in grade school sports/locker rooms/bathrooms to completely disbanding the state civil service system. That's the inherent danger of a convention, you hope it's going to play out that things are made better but there's no guarantee of that.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:05 am to Paddyshack
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Do you have any idea what percentage of pregnancies put a woman’s life in danger? I’m guessing not.
Why does that matter? Is it ok for 1 mother do have to go through that? 7? 100? What’s the cut off number of mothers you think should have to go through that?
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Would you like to see consenting adults take responsibility for their sexual activity?
Is this conversation about preventing abortions or something else? Either way, this isn’t an abortion thread.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:06 am to Bard
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It looks like we may see the biggest push yet for a state constitutional convention either this session or next.
This would be an interesting ride.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:09 am to 4cubbies
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Is it ok for 1 mother do have to go through that?
I don't think you want to start applying the "is it ok for one ___ to go thru that".
If that's our litmus, the world would be a very different place.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:18 am to Ping Pong
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Our juvenile detention facilities are overflowing. This will only increase the innate count. Step 1 should be constructed a new prison to house juvenile inmates. Put it right next to Angola with a swamp in between. Let them watch the Angola prisoners work the fields and let it be motivation to not end up there.
The federal court order that barred Louisiana from housing incarcerated youth at the state penitentiary at Angola expired in December.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:45 am to oogabooga68
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When you rape, murder or seriously harm an innocent person, you go to the trash heap.
That is happening now for those under 18.
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