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re: Louisiana joined the rest of the country; now requires unanimous jury for felony trials
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
ex-Saint Will Smith's murderer was convicted on a 10-2 vote IIRC
the taxpayers would've needed to pay for a 2nd trial after this takes affect on what should've been unanimous
the taxpayers would've needed to pay for a 2nd trial after this takes affect on what should've been unanimous
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:48 pm
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:48 pm to Sentrius
LA dragging the mouth breathers into the 21st century kicking and screaming
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:48 pm to rt3
So those 2 that didn't vote guilty would have never been convinced otherwise and thry didn't end deliberations as soon as they had the necessary 10?
That's your argument?
That's your argument?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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How do you get 12 people to agree on something in this day and age?
You put them in a fricking locked room for days until they agree...which is what happens.
And if someone feels so strongly that they won't come around to the majority despite desparetly wanting to get home...
Then that's a good thing. Peer pressure doesn't win and maybe it shouldn't have in that trial. Unanimous is a fail safe, not perfect but far better than majority rules.
Having two people who strongly disagree being irrelevant in the conviction of a person charged with murder was absolutely the wrong course and position a state could have if they happen to be within the borders and ideals of this country and Constitution.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:49 pm to rt3
and that guy who was defending himself from that other pro football player who was beating on his car door trying to rip it off the hinges went to jail in new orleans
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:49 pm to rt3
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ex-Saint Will Smith's murderer was convicted on a 10-2 vote IIRC
the taxpayers would've needed to pay for a 2nd trial after this takes affect on what should've been unanimous
We don’t know that. Once a jury hits 10-2, deliberation stops. Most of the verdicts that come back non unanimous now will come back unanimous in the future.
As I’ve discussed in other threads, the majority of jury trials in Louisiana are actually before six person juries, which have to return a unanimous verdict. They very, very rarely hang.
The fearmongering and ignorance I’ve seen over this amendment has been staggering.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:49 pm to el Gaucho
quote:the frick are you talking about?
the people that go to jail for a crime aren't "innocent" even if they didn't kill that particular person or whatever. They all have long rapsheets and are plenty guilty
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:50 pm to rt3
quote:As others have pointed out, many of the 10-2 decisions would have become 12-0 given more time and the expectation of unanimity.
Will Smith's murderer was convicted on a 10-2 vote IIRC
the taxpayers would've needed to pay for a 2nd trial after this takes affect on what should've been unanimous
The rest of the country (sans Oregon) has been unanimous. I didn’t even know non-unanimous juries was a thing.
And even with unanimous juries, many innocent people are covicited so I can’t imagine how many given the lower standard and making it easier for shoddy police work and/or prosecution.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:50 pm to Triple Bogey
quote:1 person is too many Jesus Christ
Show me statistics where there are an insane amount of innocent people put behind bars and I'll agree with you. Making a Murderer is an exception, not the rule.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:51 pm to Joshjrn
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which have to return a unanimous verdict. They very, very rarely hang.
if anything we need more hanging juries in la, people sit on death row for like 30 years
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:52 pm to el Gaucho
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if anything we need more hanging juries in la, people sit on death row for like 30 years
Trolllllllllll
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:53 pm to buckeye_vol
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expectation of unanimity
Expectation of it? That frightens me.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 pm to Cosmo
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Yay. Now we can let 1 SJW on a jury let a TPOS walk
They aren't acquitted with 11-1. Seriously people need to take civics again.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I’m actually shocked that anyone is convicted of anything in this country. How do you get 12 people to agree on something in this day and age?
Tennessee requires unanimous jury verdicts (as does every other state now). Statewide last year, 5,391 cases went to trial, only 510 resulted in acquittals. That's a 90.5% conviction rate. Over 70,000 more pled guilty to the charged offense or to a lesser plea. 5000 more took pre-trial diversion (conditional guilty plea). 3000 more had their cases retired (another form of a conditional guilty plea here). So out of almost 84,000 cases that were prosecuted, only 510 "criminals got off." That is about 1% of all cases.
Most people who the DA decides to prosecute are guilty and it's not difficult for a competent prosecutor to get a unanimous verdict. If he/she can't, there is probably reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt should result in an acquittal 100% of the time. It goes against the very basic principles of justice for a non-unanimous verdict to result in a conviction. Louisiana did the right thing.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:57 pm to tiger91
quote:Ok. Requirement. But expectation when deliberating.
Expectation of it? That frightens me.
Why would that frighten you? 10-2 is frightening considering how wrong unanimous decisions can be.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:57 pm to Joshjrn
I just figured out the flaw in my logic.
Apologies.
Apologies.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:58 pm to Scoop
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I just figured out the flaw in my logic. Apologies.
No worries
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:20 pm to tiger91
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I’ll trust you lawyers here if you say this is a good thing.
Lawyers only care about $$$. They could care less about correct innocent or guilty verdicts!Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:24 pm to stampman
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Lawyers only care about $$$. They could care less about correct innocent or guilty verdicts!
As someone who doesn't practice criminal law but has a lot of friends that do, I can assure you this is generally not the case at all. Most criminal attorneys are bleeding hearts that generally do care, a lot. Very few people I know who work in that area of law make a lot of money. Not to mention, most people are represented by the PD office or by court appointed attorneys. Neither pays much of shite. If your goal is to get rich as an attorney, criminal law is typically not the path to take. Rich criminal defense attorneys are the exception, not the norm.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:28 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Having two people who strongly disagree being irrelevant in the conviction of a person charged with murder was absolutely the wrong course and position a state could have if they happen to be within the borders and ideals of this country and Constitution.
Bingo
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