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re: Lindsey Graham Calls For The US To Shoot Down Russian Planes
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:22 am to Santa Claws
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:22 am to Santa Claws
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Lock him, Nikki Haley, John Bolton, Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, and all the other Neocons away.
Let them have some skin in the games they like to play.
Send them and their kids to the front lines in Bakhmut.
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:24 am to CoachChappy
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I’m tired of every republican justifying their position with this trope.
Don’t forget Neville Chamberlain.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:25 am to LuckyTiger
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What would Ronald Reagan do right now? He would start shooting Russian planes down
He would. But he also wouldn’t put them in the position to get shot down.
Can’t really take the Reagan approach at this point. Those horses already left the barn.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:32 am to LuckyTiger
This is why I've vowed to make Little Lady Lindsey Graham put some skin in the game. When I get elected I'm calling him to active duty, and he's going to get dropped into the combat zone and find out what war is like. However long it takes to negotiate some peace, he can remain on the ground, at the front with the Ukrainians that insists are kicking so much arse.
Until people like Graham have skin in the game, they will forever want to push us into war.
He's a JAG in the USAF Reserve. Please don't tell me you can't put a senator in uniform - he's previously put on the uniform to do JAG work, so he can deploy.
Until people like Graham have skin in the game, they will forever want to push us into war.
He's a JAG in the USAF Reserve. Please don't tell me you can't put a senator in uniform - he's previously put on the uniform to do JAG work, so he can deploy.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:33 am to LuckyTiger
wtf
hell-bent on war
hell-bent on war
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:35 am to LuckyTiger
quote:This dude got terminal cancer or something?
Lindsey Graham Calls For The US To Shoot Down Russian Planes
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:35 am to SCLibertarian
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Literally acts of war, and yet the OT Zelensky bros claim they don't want this to escalate.
CitizenK says the only way to save Ukraine is to turn the rest of the earth into a wasteland
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:39 am to LuckyTiger
At this point there is no one in the world who misses Trump being POTUS more than Putin. He’ll go door to door to campaign for him 2024.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:43 am to upgrayedd
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CitizenK says the only way to save Ukraine is to turn the rest of the earth into a wasteland
I want Russia to lose but I just can't wrap my head around these people who shake with anger if someone says "I'm hesitant about pumping billions of dollars into a volatile international conflict that doesn't really impact us."
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:54 am to Santa Claws
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Lock him, Nikki Haley, John Bolton, Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, and all the other Neocons away.
to be honest, i prefer they load them into a b52 bomb bay area and drop them from 30k feet over ukraine without parachutes. they are all compromised and are enemies to america
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:02 pm to LuckyTiger
Just bullshite they took down our drone. That drone had just completed its college entrance exam and was on its way to bible study when the goddamn Russians attacked it. Here's a picture of the drone when it was a lil baby drone. See how fricked up it is that Russia did that?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:00 pm to Pettifogger
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I want Russia to lose but I just can't wrap my head around these people who shake with anger if someone says "I'm hesitant about pumping billions of dollars into a volatile international conflict that doesn't really impact us."
Don't even dare to ask them how much money they're willing to pump into post-war Ukraine
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:14 pm to LuckyTiger
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Calls For The US To Shoot Down Russian Planes
Biden, Romney, Pelosi, Kerry, et al pushing for war with Russia to defend their corruption-Mecca that is Ukraine.
The Left hyping war with Russia in efforts to attack DJT with their Trump-Putin fantasy.
The establishment pushing for war with Russia to line pockets of the MIC.
And now bipartisan push for war with Russia to distract us from the woke banking industry foibles.
I’m thinking that maybe we’re targeting the wrong group….
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:23 pm to upgrayedd
I posted a thread earlier today on Tucker Carlson's six questions to candidates about Ukraine. He put answers on twitter here.
Here are Trump's answers. To me they hardly sound like Graham's positions, who is constantly out of his lane on foreign policy issues.
Trump's responses:
“Like inflation and numerous other self inflicted wounds and mistakes made over the past two years, Russia would definitely not have raided and attacked Ukraine if I was your President. In fact, for four years they didn’t attack, nor did they have any intention of doing so as long as I was in charge. But the sad fact is that, due to a new lack of respect for the U.S., caused at least partially by our incompetently handled pullout from Afghanistan, and a very poor choice of words by Biden in explaining U.S. requests and intentions (Biden’s first statement was that Russia could have some of Ukraine, no problem!), the bloody and expensive assault began, and continues to this day. That is all history, but how does it end, and it must end, NOW! Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference. At a staggering 125 Billion Dollars, we are paying 4 to 5 times more, and this fight is far more important for Europe than it is for the U.S. Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal. This can be easily done if conducted by the right President. Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction MUST END NOW! Properly executed, this terrible and tragic War, a War that never should have started in the first place, will come to a speedy end. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!”
Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?
“No, but it is for Europe. But not for the United States. That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal.”
What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?
“Our objective in Ukraine is to help and secure Europe, but Europe isn't helping itself. They are relying on the United States to largely do it for them. That is very unfair to us. Especially since Europe takes advantage of us on trade and other things.”
What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?
“That would strongly depend on my meeting with President Putin and Russia. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if I were President, not even a small chance. Would have never happened if I were President, but it has. I would have to see what the direction in which Russia is headed. I want them to stop, and they will, depending on the one that delivers that message. But with everything said, Europe must pay. The United States has spent much more than Europe, and that is not fair, just, or equitable. If I were President, that horrible war would end in 24 hours, or less. It can be done, and it must be done-- now!”
Should the United States support regime change in Russia?
“No. We should support regime change in the United States, that's far more important. The Biden administration are the ones who got us into this mess.”
Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?
“No, they have not been effective. Just the opposite. They drove Russia, China and Iran into an unthinkable situation.”
Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?
“It depends on who the President of the United States is. At the moment, with Biden as president, absolutely yes. He says and does all the wrong things at the wrong time.”
Here are Trump's answers. To me they hardly sound like Graham's positions, who is constantly out of his lane on foreign policy issues.
Trump's responses:
“Like inflation and numerous other self inflicted wounds and mistakes made over the past two years, Russia would definitely not have raided and attacked Ukraine if I was your President. In fact, for four years they didn’t attack, nor did they have any intention of doing so as long as I was in charge. But the sad fact is that, due to a new lack of respect for the U.S., caused at least partially by our incompetently handled pullout from Afghanistan, and a very poor choice of words by Biden in explaining U.S. requests and intentions (Biden’s first statement was that Russia could have some of Ukraine, no problem!), the bloody and expensive assault began, and continues to this day. That is all history, but how does it end, and it must end, NOW! Start by telling Europe that they must pay at least equal to what the U.S. is paying to help Ukraine. They must also pay us, retroactively, the difference. At a staggering 125 Billion Dollars, we are paying 4 to 5 times more, and this fight is far more important for Europe than it is for the U.S. Next, tell Ukraine that there will be little more money coming from us, UNLESS RUSSIA CONTINUES TO PROSECUTE THE WAR. The President must meet with each side, then both sides together, and quickly work out a deal. This can be easily done if conducted by the right President. Both sides are weary and ready to make a deal. The meetings should start immediately, there is no time to spare. The death and destruction MUST END NOW! Properly executed, this terrible and tragic War, a War that never should have started in the first place, will come to a speedy end. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!”
Is opposing Russia in Ukraine a vital American national strategic interest?
“No, but it is for Europe. But not for the United States. That is why Europe should be paying far more than we are, or equal.”
What specifically is our objective in Ukraine, and how will we know when we’ve achieved it?
“Our objective in Ukraine is to help and secure Europe, but Europe isn't helping itself. They are relying on the United States to largely do it for them. That is very unfair to us. Especially since Europe takes advantage of us on trade and other things.”
What is the limit of funding and materiel you would be willing to send to the government of Ukraine?
“That would strongly depend on my meeting with President Putin and Russia. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine if I were President, not even a small chance. Would have never happened if I were President, but it has. I would have to see what the direction in which Russia is headed. I want them to stop, and they will, depending on the one that delivers that message. But with everything said, Europe must pay. The United States has spent much more than Europe, and that is not fair, just, or equitable. If I were President, that horrible war would end in 24 hours, or less. It can be done, and it must be done-- now!”
Should the United States support regime change in Russia?
“No. We should support regime change in the United States, that's far more important. The Biden administration are the ones who got us into this mess.”
Given that Russia’s economy and currency are stronger than before the war, do you believe that U.S. sanctions have been effective?
“No, they have not been effective. Just the opposite. They drove Russia, China and Iran into an unthinkable situation.”
Do you believe the United States faces the risk of nuclear war with Russia?
“It depends on who the President of the United States is. At the moment, with Biden as president, absolutely yes. He says and does all the wrong things at the wrong time.”
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:23 pm to LuckyTiger
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Lindsey Graham Calls For The US To Shoot Down Russian Planes
Sounds like a brilliant idea
Lindsey Graham can enlist in the Ukrainian Military and get into their air defense units and down as many Russian Planes as he wants
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