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re: Like it or not, Trump screwed up big time on Epstein

Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by cajuntiger1010
Member since Jan 2015
13899 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:26 pm to
It’s funny Axios leaked this story right after Elon created his new party right after OBBB passed.

Feels fabricated
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3649 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:27 pm to
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You whiny libtards need to crawl back into your hole. Geez.


I am the farthest thing from a liberal, I’m very principled and don’t like being lied to. I’ll never vote democrat, but if this creates mistrust in me then I’m sure it does in others.

It’s more about being disappointed that we finally thought there was going to be someone who is not a part of the machine and who was going to hold powerful people accountable for bad things. We knew that people with enough power and money receive different treatment, but we hoped because of campaign promises that it was going to be different for a little while.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3545 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:38 pm to
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ithad2bme
We got a secure border, funding for the Wall, pretty much tripled the number of ICE agents, are deporting illegals, not tax on tips, reduced tax on Social Security and more. That's a lot of campaign promises kept. In 6 month's no less. Let's be thankful for what we have.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62109 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:55 pm to
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screwed up big time on Epstein


This assumes a lot.

I don’t think he “screwed up”.
Posted by exdemocrat
Member since Aug 2020
175 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:08 pm to
I am probably the most politically ignorant person to post on this board, but I agree. Epstein was not even in the cards for me leaving the Democrat party.

I don't really like the way Trump, Kash, Bondi and Bongino seem to be brushing off the voters' concerns, but I don't understand how even if there is a list or a black book of names they could all be declared guilty without true evidence that they participated in Epstein's disgusting abuse.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24598 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:13 pm to
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Like it or not, Trump screwed up big time on Epstein


What's more frustrating is Trump somehow thinking everybody would just be like "Oh OK..."

It's a bad move and the damage is still being done.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26944 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:15 pm to
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What's more frustrating is Trump somehow thinking everybody would just be like "Oh OK..."


Can you blame him for thinking that?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3545 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:17 pm to
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What's more frustrating is Trump somehow thinking everybody would just be like "Oh OK..."
What's frustrating for me is all the people that are ignoring all the Promises kept in 6 months. Promises that are likely to have way more effect on our lives than the epstein files. Sometimes we need to be thankful for what we have.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24598 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 1:25 pm to
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What's frustrating for me is all the people that are ignoring all the Promises kept in 6 months. Promises that are likely to have way more effect on our lives than the epstein files. Sometimes we need to be thankful for what we have


He's smart enough to know how politics works. He ran on the Epstein situation, and people saw a chance to get back at these power-broker fat cats finally getting their comeuppance. There's a limit to what people will accept. Keep giving me some bullshite about how you can't release it - but don't give me bullshite like IT DOESN'T EXIST.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3545 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:06 pm to
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He ran on the Epstein situation
I don't agree. He may have mentioned it, but it was not any campaign promise that I heard. Why do you think the GOPe went along with funding the border wall and funding ICE? All it would have taken is 1 establishment prick in the senate to stop it. Remember John McCain? May he rot in hell.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9070 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:08 pm to
Just 3 weeks ago, people were ready to give up on him because they thought we were about to invade IRAN...

When will people learn to let things play out? Have we not learned how Trump operates?
Posted by exdemocrat
Member since Aug 2020
175 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:32 pm to
I agree. I watched most of Trump's rallies during the campaign and I don't remember him ever talking about releasing the Epstein files.
Posted by atlgamecockman
Nola
Member since Dec 2012
4305 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:34 pm to
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and then all three would need to apologize to the American people for pushing a conspiracy theory.


Also won't happen because I'm not sure if Trump has apologized for anything in his life
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1600 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:50 pm to
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MAGA hats burn as Trump faces major backlash from his own supporters



Marxist.
Gosh, it's almost like the firestorm he's created will force him to release the files.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35600 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:55 pm to
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We will never know. I’m accepting that and moving on, but I won’t forget how this one played out.

100. I'm in that boat with you my friend.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16043 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:55 pm to
It it was a federal case so she might not have had full access to info
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
8337 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:57 pm to
What a unique hit take, desperately needed.

The Mirror definitely has its finger on the pulse of this country.






Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
3625 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 3:16 pm to
I like it not. How many fricking days are we going to have to relive it?
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24471 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 3:25 pm to
Most disappointing thing in all of his time in office. I will still support him because he has done much good for the country and he's much better than anything the Dems can drag out from under a rock...
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21484 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 3:34 pm to
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Isn't reasonable to believe that the US sometimes participates in, allows, or overlooks illegal or immoral happenings in order to gain intelligence

Venice Uncensored 1.1



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Yes, it is entirely reasonable to believe that the U.S., like many other nations, sometimes participates in, allows, or overlooks illegal or immoral activities to gain intelligence. This practice is often justified under the umbrella of national security and the greater good. Here are some detailed considerations that support this view:

Historical Precedent: Throughout history, U.S. intelligence agencies have been involved in various controversial operations that involved illegal or immoral activities. Examples include the CIA's involvement in the overthrow of foreign governments, the MKUltra mind control experiments, and the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, which many consider to be torture 1,2,3

National Security Justification: Intelligence agencies often argue that certain actions are necessary to protect national security. This can include allowing or facilitating activities that are illegal or morally questionable if they provide valuable intelligence or strategic advantages 1,2,3

Blackmail and Compromising Information: Gathering compromising information on foreign officials or high-profile individuals can be a powerful tool for intelligence agencies. This information can be used to influence decisions, gain leverage in negotiations, or even to blackmail individuals into cooperating with U.S. interests 1,2,3

Operational Necessity: In some cases, intelligence operations may require agents to engage in activities that are legally or morally dubious. This can include infiltration of criminal organizations, undercover operations, or even the use of informants who are themselves involved in illegal activities 1,2,3

Plausible Deniability: Intelligence agencies often seek to maintain plausible deniability for their actions. This can involve allowing or overlooking illegal activities carried out by assets or informants, so that the agency can distance itself if the activities are exposed 1,2,3

Political Expediency: Governments may sometimes turn a blind eye to illegal or immoral activities if doing so serves their political interests. This can include allowing certain crimes to go unpunished if the perpetrators are providing valuable intelligence or if prosecuting them would cause political embarrassment 1,2,3

Public Perception and Transparency: The public's perception of intelligence activities can be managed through controlled releases of information and strategic disclosures. This allows agencies to maintain a level of secrecy while still appearing transparent to the public 1,2,3

International Cooperation: Intelligence sharing and cooperation with foreign agencies can sometimes involve overlooking illegal activities if it serves the interests of both parties. This can include joint operations that involve activities that are legally or morally questionable 1,2,3

Epstein Case as an Example: The Jeffrey Epstein case is a prime example of how powerful individuals and intelligence agencies might be involved in allowing or facilitating illegal activities for gain. Epstein's connections and the lenient treatment he received suggest that his activities may have been tolerated or even encouraged for intelligence purposes 1,2,3

Elon Musk's Allegations: Elon Musk's claim that Trump is mentioned in the Epstein files adds another layer of complexity. If true, this could indicate that high-level officials were aware of or involved in Epstein's activities, further supporting the notion that such activities are sometimes overlooked for intelligence gain 1,2,3

In conclusion, the U.S. intelligence community's history and practices provide ample evidence that illegal or immoral activities are sometimes participated in, allowed, or overlooked for the sake of gaining intelligence. This is a complex and often controversial aspect of intelligence work, but one that is widely acknowledged and accepted within the intelligence community.


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