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re: Libertarians are big supporters of transgenders. FYI

Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:13 pm to
I got really into Libertarianism when I was young and idealistic. Many of the foundational texts and documents still make a lot of sense and present a sound theory on the role of the federal government and economics.

Not in the way that an operational political platform makes sense. More like a useful lens through which to view politics.

But the further I got into the LP, the weirder it got. And the upper levels of the national party have been a carnival of freaks and weirdos for decades.

I understand that one faction, the Mises Caucus, has generally broken off of the national LP platform because they don't care about all the social issues and are focused more on economics, private property, and other core libertarian ideals. But I don't know how much of the overall party this group represents.

My point in bringing this up is that a lot of small 'l' libertarians who are not affiliated with the national party aren't obsessed with the LGBT stuff. They are certainly not "big supporters of transgenders."

And the ones I know are not anti-Trump. More likely anti-democrat.
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
1633 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 9:15 pm to
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There's 2 types of libertarians:
1. True libertarians
2. Contrarians who want to be different yet have to be governed and defined by something like a national party.

No true libertarian follows the libertarian party.
Its a very simple idea:

Take any issue. Which side is the side that gives more liberty? MOST of the time that is the side you will find the libertarians on.


There it is.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34286 posts
Posted on 2/17/26 at 11:04 pm to
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And the ones I know are not anti-Trump

The 3 national politicians that I know of, that claim to be libertarian, are all anti-Trump

Noted libertarians on here, are all anti-Trump (or heading there). Yet they voted for him 3x. Prime example in this thread SC Libertarian. After I posted Ron Paul was anti-Trump, he went on some bizarre screed about Ron not supporting trannies. As if that somehow makes him pro-Trump??
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Ron Paul: Democrats ignoring Trump's real abuse of power

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Rand Paul Calls Donald Trump an 'Empty Suit'

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Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., is finding few friends on Capitol Hill in his escalating feud with Donald Trump

These 3 are guiding the DIMs in how to take down MAGA and their 3x elected president. And yet they all run as Republicans. Because they are too cowardly to run as Libertarians
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/17/26 at 11:09 pm to
Libertarians are kommie lites
Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
1633 posts
Posted on 2/18/26 at 12:01 am to
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The 3 national politicians that I know of, that claim to be libertarian, are all anti-Trump


I don’t pay enough attention to the LP national to even know who this is. But again, I think there are a lot of let’s say “liberty minded” people like me, who gave up on the LP years ago and don’t think in political absolutes.

My main objection was to your post’s title, which lumps all libertarians in with the kooks at LP national. IDGAF about their obsession with identity politics.

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Noted libertarians on here, are all anti-Trump (or heading there). Yet they voted for him 3x. Prime example in this thread SC Libertarian. After I posted Ron Paul was anti-Trump, he went on some bizarre screed about Ron not supporting trannies. As if that somehow makes him pro-Trump??


This reads like junior high gossip. No comment.

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These 3 are guiding the DIMs in how to take down MAGA and their 3x elected president. And yet they all run as Republicans. Because they are too cowardly to run as Libertarians


1. The dems are so detached from reality and politically inept these days. I don’t think anyone is talented enough to guide them to “take down MAGA.” Certainly not Massie.

2. Nothing wrong with calling balls and strikes. No leader is perfect, not even Trump.

3. Seems like MAGA is getting really thin-skinned as time passes. Who gives a shite about what other politicians say about Trump?

Posted by roadGator
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/18/26 at 6:40 am to
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3. Seems like MAGA is getting really thin-skinned as time passes. Who gives a shite about what other politicians say about Trump?


This has been happening for a long time.

Any criticism of Trump is met with insults and fabrications. Almost never will the criticism be discussed intelligently. It used to be frustrating but now it’s simply entertaining
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41747 posts
Posted on 2/18/26 at 6:46 am to
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And the ones I know are not anti-Trump. More likely anti-democrat.


Not slow, Hank harry, or 3rd down though
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 2/18/26 at 7:01 am to
Congratulations. You won. You’re the poster with Trump’s dick the furthest down their throat.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 2/18/26 at 9:55 pm to
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Noted libertarians on here, are all anti-Trump (or heading there). Yet they voted for him 3x. Prime example in this thread SC Libertarian. After I posted Ron Paul was anti-Trump, he went on some bizarre screed about Ron not supporting trannies.


What are you talking about? You are the one who indicated that Massie and the Pauls are possibly onboard with the transgender agenda because they are libertarians.

SC directly addressed a key nuance missing from your comments about the Libertarian Party platform: the fact that many prominent libertarians hold positions on the tranny agenda that differ greatly from the official LP plank. The Pauls and Massie aren’t by any stretch of the imagination pro-trans:

Rand Paul is facing backlash for his anti-trans comments equating gender-affirming surgery to 'genital mutilation'

Ron Paul’s policy on gender transition | Should people under the age of 18 years old be able to receive gender-transition treatments? No, children should not be allowed to make irreversible life decisions.


Thomas Massie voted in favor of the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2025, banning males from competing in women’s sports. Massie likewise voted in favor of the Protect Children’s Innocence Act, MTG’s bill banning child mutilation under the guise of “gender affirming” medical care.

While the Libertarian Party indeed supports tranny rights, this does not automatically imply that every individual libertarian or libertarian-leaning politician adheres to the same position. If you want to criticize the Libertarian Party, grab a ticket and get in line behind me.

I am a libertarian and I think the LP is a woke joke. Yet as SC indicates, libertarians are not a monolithic voting bloc agreeing on every issue.




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As if that somehow makes him pro-Trump??



Well, I was pro-Trump as long as Trump was an anti-neocon. When Trump first emerged as a legitimate candidate in 2015, the very neocons who have now infiltrated Trump’s administration were deriding Trump as a deranged demagogue:

Rubio Slams 'Isolationist Candidates' in Foreign Policy Speech….

Yet I welcomed Trump as a battering ram to crack the castle gates of the failed bipartisan foreign-policy consensus that defined the reigning political establishment in the Potomac Beltway. I certainly haven’t changed my ideological bearings or political principles — yet something clearly has changed.

I indeed haven’t abandoned MAGA — it is much of MAGA that has abandoned me. Trump would do will to remember that neocon fatigue is a large part of the reason many citizens supported him as candidate in 2016.

When the castle’s former gatekeepers rebrand themselves as the insurgents, it’s worth asking who actually captured whom? As for me, I will continue to be MAGA when Trump has been relegated to Netflix documentaries and cable tv nostalgia panels.



This post was edited on 2/18/26 at 10:28 pm
Posted by Bunkie7672
Member since Mar 2020
1306 posts
Posted on 2/18/26 at 10:08 pm to
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Trump being an Alpha just reminds him of his youth.


You know how I know you’re gay?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34286 posts
Posted on 2/18/26 at 10:54 pm to
What in the Hell are you talking about??

The OP was about the Libertarian party. I then said that the Pauls and Massies are so anti-Trump that it makes you wonder?

Then you post a 10 year old Rubio story. Yet Rubio is currently fighting tooth and toenail for the Trump agenda. The Pauls and Massie are still fighting in the opposite direction. Siding with DIMs each and every opportunity

The whole point of this thread is that men like Vance and Rubio have been at odds with Trump, but they fight as Republicans for MAGA

The libertarians in DC (and on here) pretend to be Republicans so they can eff up the machine from within. You chickenshits need to run in the LP, if youre going to puff your libertarian chest out. Otherwise, leave the party so we can fix shite. Not have to spend time with the menstrual cycles of the Rands and Massie. Heres the receipts
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FACT CHECK: Paul ‘stood with Reagan,’ but not long

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Ron Paul: Democrats ignoring Trump's real abuse of power

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These House mavericks defied their own parties more than anyone else in 2025. House members Massie and Roy frequently crossed party lines

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Massie, a libertarian-minded conservative had never cast a vote to increase the borrowing limit until April, when Republicans put forth their dead-on-arrival plan to significantly repeal Biden’s legislative priorities

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GOP Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky voted with Democrats to advance the resolution. Democratic Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania voted against it.

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Kentucky Senator Rand Paul was the lone Republican to vote against the budget resolution, joining all Democrats.

Its just too obvious at this point
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:52 pm to
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What in the Hell are you talking about??

The OP was about the Libertarian party. I then said that the Pauls and Massies are so anti-Trump that it makes you wonder?



Yes. Exactly.

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Yet Rubio is currently fighting tooth and toenail for the NEOCON agenda.


FIFY!





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Otherwise, leave the party so we can PRINT & SPEND!


FIFY Again!








Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20147 posts
Posted on 2/19/26 at 8:57 pm to
Conservatives like their gheys in the closet like Miss Lindsay of South Carolina and Roy Cohn.
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