re: LIBERALs ONLY = Can you articulate a reason for NOT = Build That Wall

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They want:
- cheap labor

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Are these liberal run industries that hire illegals? Farming, construction, etc all seem like pretty red industries.

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But all you listed are unproven and vague factors.

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Well no.

I think the government has proven time and time again that it is poorly ran and never comes within close of its budget. I don't consider that a belief to be controversial.

The majority of illegals immigrant do come here legally then over stay their temporary visas. That is facts.

And a giant wall would destroy habitats. It's a wall.

None of those points are "unproven or vague"

Bandit, you are usually a good poster from the Right and do seem to seek reasoned discussion. The bulk of the responses to your query come from the hard-Right, and they tend to indicate that you are pretty lonely in that category.

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cost?

effectiveness?

eminent domain?

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These.

This boondoggle will (1) spend ridiculous amounts of money to (2) seize private property from American citizens, (3) while having minimal impact upon illegal immigration.

Ian Malcolm said “life will find a way.” So will immigrants.

Someone else mentioned access to the waters of the Rio Grande. That river is the sole dependable source of water for MANY ranchers in Texas. By depriving them of access, you are effectively seizing the productivity of entire ranches, not just a few acres adjacent to the Rio.

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Certainly no more “lame” than asserting that all Mexican immigrants are rapists and murders.

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Wait who said this?

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I think the government has proven time and time again that it is poorly ran and never comes within close of its budget. I don't consider that a belief to be controversial.

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I didn't say it was controversial, I pointed out that implied cost/benefit ratio is unknown.

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The majority of illegals immigrant do come here legally then over stay their temporary visas. That is facts.

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No that is not facts. The number is unknown...why? Because no one knows the actual number. The criminal aliens that overstay their visa limit means they have no right to remain in the country, just like the other criminal aliens.

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And a giant wall would destroy habitats. It's a wall.

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So does building a road. So what? Cost/benefit and all.

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None of those points are "unproven or vague

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Wrong.

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LIBERALs ONLY

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I'll jump in when you open it back up to others.

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Certainly no more “lame” than asserting that all Mexican immigrants are rapists and murders.

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Yeah...keeping with the lame theme...do you know even 1 person who has claimed that?

There is actually a lot information out there stating why the wall won’t work and isn’t practical. But here are just a few

Cato Institute: Why the Wall Won’t Work

Gov't report warns Trump's wall may bust the budget, face delays, won't work as planned

5 Problems the Wall Won’t Solve

I’d say cost and effectiveness are two reasonable issues for discussion.

I don't think you have to be a liberal to believe that it's not as feasible in reality as just repeating the campaign slogan "build that wall."

I think it would be effective to a point but probably not effective to the point where it would be worth it.

Hardcore maga guys will probably scoff at environmental, and private property issues, but they're real and will likely be litigated for years at a high cost.

I'd much rather un-handcuff ICE and Border Patrol and let them actually do their jobs for once. I think getting those two departments running at a highly functional level would be more effective than spending an astronomical amount of money on a wall that's more symbolic than functional.