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re: Liberal debates Trumps conviction and is asked what crime he committed
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:48 am to tketaco
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:48 am to tketaco
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The transaction was noted, it didnt circumvent a tax code.
The payments were not for legal expenses, and they included a way for Cohen to possibly violate the NY tax scheme.
Also, Cohen literally has already been convicted for a crime directly related to the same facts of this case, so that is a related crime that already exists as a matter of record.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:49 am to JellyRoll
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Wasn't the statute of limitations already in play?
Not for the felony.
Yes for the misdemeanor.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
If that is the case then every CEO or manager is now legally liable for every business journal or ledger entry placed by everyone under them. All of them are now guilty of some crime.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:51 am to Bwmdx
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If that is the case then every CEO or manager is now legally liable for every business journal or ledger entry placed by everyone under them. All of them are now guilty of some crime.
Some of us have been telling the "back the blue" crowd this for almost 20 years
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Stop acting like this was all above board and done as it should have been. It wasn't and you know that, and your big words and verbiage cannot talk around it.
And by the way, weren't you in those pictures of Hunter running around naked, since y'all are lovers and such?
And by the way, weren't you in those pictures of Hunter running around naked, since y'all are lovers and such?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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But that is specifically not what they paid
What is it you think Trump paid?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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To have Trump personally indicated they would have needed to show proof he knew or directed specifically,
I actually skimmed some NY appeals cases yesterday and I do not believe this is required.
How do you get around the (2) levels of intent required by the statute without proof the defendant even knew the alleged crimes were being committed?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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Some of us have been telling the "back the blue" crowd this for almost 20 years
Yet here you are supporting the prosecution.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Hearing why the billing was only a dollar amount would be an opinion of the prosecution and would be stricken normally. Hearing it from Cohen is laughable considering that he admitted to turning in false billing as well, effectively stealing money from Trump. It would not be hard unbiased courtroom to show that Cohen was purveyor of false testimony, illegal billing & theft and have it shoved right back down the prosecutors throat. Still all that journal entries are misdemeanors not felonies of which they convicted. The state election charges would require intent and knowledge of forethought which wasn’t shown at all
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:56 am to NC_Tigah
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What is it you think Trump paid?
The $130k paid by a third party company to Stormy's reps, and an extra $130k for anticipated tax liabilities for Cohen.
How can a payment made by a company unrelated to Cohen's law firm (funded by Cohen personally, not his firm) be a legal expense of Cohen's law firm?
And why was Cohen reimbursed for the tax liabilities of his improper billing?
What I'm curious of is how they did the accounting for that unrelated LLC, which could open up more avenues .
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:56 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Yet here you are supporting the prosecution.
I'm not
I'm giving objective legal analysis.
My personal opinions aren't present.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:58 am to Nosevens
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It would not be hard unbiased courtroom to show that Cohen was purveyor of false testimony, illegal billing & theft and have it shoved right back down the prosecutors throa
Ultimately that's a credibility determination for the jury.
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. Still all that journal entries are misdemeanors not felonies of which they convicted.
Unless there is an associated crime.
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The state election charges would require intent and knowledge of forethought which wasn’t shown at all
I don't think that was a good strategy. The prosecution has other options. I think the jury instructions had 6 or 7 options.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:58 am to OMLandshark
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Yes, but they all have to agree beyond a reasonable doubt on one or all of those options. You can’t have four jurors thinking he murdered someone, four jurors think he raped someone, and another four thinking that he jaywalked. You can’t convict on that shite.
But they did and the jury was instructed to do it.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't pretend to understand New York law on something like this, but I wonder. Would a Judge give such an explicit instruction to a jury in such a high profile and historic case if it weren't legal to do so? Would he commit such an open violation of procedure only to risk it being overturned on appeal?
Did this Judge follow New York law? If someone has something that says he violated New York law by instructing the jury the way he did, post it. News article, tiktok video, MSM talking head, whatever. Seriously, I'd like to know.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Unless there is an associated crime.
Another trip around the circle we go
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
That is an amazing amount of hubris barrister.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:00 am to RaoulDuke504
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Liberal debates Trumps conviction and is asked what crime he committed
She sounds exactly like Sloflo
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:00 am to goatmilker
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That is an amazing amount of hubris barrister.
By saying I'm not giving personal opinions about the case?
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:01 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm giving objective legal analysis.
My personal opinions aren't present.
BS. You only offer analysis that supports the prosecution, thus you are giving your opinion as to why the prosecution is correct.
If you are the great legal mind you present to this board, how about some "objective" analysis as why this was all a sham like many respected attorneys have opined?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:03 am to Bandit1980
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Stop acting like this was all above board and done as it should have been. It wasn't and you know that, and your big words and verbiage cannot talk around it.
And by the way, weren't you in those pictures of Hunter running around naked, since y'all are lovers and such?
He better stop with them five dollar words, huh.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:03 am to deathvalleytiger10
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You only offer analysis that supports the prosecution
I literally said I think there were legal error that will send reverse the conviction and the case back for remand
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thus you are giving your opinion as to why the prosecution is correct.
That is ultimately up to the jury. The factual determinations needed to assess the crimes are up to the jury.
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If you are the great legal mind you present to this board, how about some "objective" analysis as why this was all a sham like many respected attorneys have opined?
I've already discussed, ITT, why this conviction is likely to be overturned and remanded for re-trial
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