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re: Liberal debates Trumps conviction and is asked what crime he committed

Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:20 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:20 am to
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I dig it when someone is actually required to back up their drivel, and called out. I would love to see that whole exchange.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:20 am to
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And what’s the underlying crime? F

We don't know what the jury relied on, specifically, but there are multiple potential options. See my post above.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:22 am to
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That specificity isn't required by the statute for a conviction.


bullshite it isn’t.

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We don't know, and will likely never know.


OK, so we don’t know what crime he committed, we’re just going to say he did a crime and never specify what it was.

What the frick happened to you, SFP?
Posted by JellyRoll
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:23 am to
Thank you OML
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:24 am to
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bullshite it isn’t.

It's literally not, based on law that pre-dates Trump by a long while.

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OK, so we don’t know what crime he committed, we’re just going to say he did a crime and never specify what it was.

What the frick happened to you, SFP?

Why did you ignore the rest of that post?

It addressed your histrionics directly.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86158 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:24 am to
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In a case that will eventually be remembered as a textbook instance of selective prosecution, the Manhattan district attorney breathed life into an alleged bookkeeping misdemeanor that the statute of limitations had expired on and, Merlin-like, transformed it into 34 felonies.


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What was applied here was not the law; it was a unique interpretation of an infrequently enforced statute that had never been used before. At first glance, the statute of limitations had expired, but Bragg convinced the judge that Trump’s time outside of the state, including his four years as president, didn’t count.


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Falsifying business records is usually a misdemeanor, but Bragg’s team argued, and the jury believed, that the records were falsified in the furtherance of another crime. The prosecution contended the payments to Stormy Daniels were an effort to cover up what was essentially an illegal campaign expenditure. But as the editors observe, “Paying porn stars for their silence is not a campaign expense.”


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Falsifying business records is usually a misdemeanor, but Bragg’s team argued, and the jury believed, that the records were falsified in the furtherance of another crime. The prosecution contended the payments to Stormy Daniels were an effort to cover up what was essentially an illegal campaign expenditure. But as the editors observe, “Paying porn stars for their silence is not a campaign expense.”


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Trump is facing four years in prison for each of the 34 counts — conceivably 136 years in prison, for the crime of listing his payment to Michael Cohen as an ongoing legal fee rather than a loan reimbursement. That’s it, that’s the crime.


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Mind you, under this same district attorney, Alvin Bragg, “Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other businesses will be prosecuted only for petty larceny, a misdemeanor, provided no victims were seriously injured and there’s no ‘genuine risk of physical harm’ to anyone. . . . Convicted criminals caught with weapons other than guns will have those felony charges downgraded to misdemeanors unless they’re also charged with more serious offenses.”



Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:24 am to
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I actually skimmed some NY appeals cases yesterday


Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:25 am to
You're moist, aren't you?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:25 am to
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You're moist, aren't you?

No
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:27 am to
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We don't know what the jury relied on, specifically, but there are multiple potential options.


“There are multiple potential options” is by definition reasonable doubt. If you don’t know how or why or what someone did, you can’t convict them. You can’t try someone for murder, rape, and jaywalking and convict if the jury can’t come to an agreement if he murdered or jaywalked.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:28 am to
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It's literally not, based on law that pre-dates Trump by a long while.


This has never happened before.

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Why did you ignore the rest of that post?


Because it’s absolute gibberish.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26699 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:28 am to
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And who did he defraud

That specificity isn't required by the statute for a conviction.


By definition fraud requires it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:29 am to
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“There are multiple potential options” is by definition reasonable doubt.

Not true, and, again, you keep ignoring my post that goes into specifics on this. Why?

Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:29 am to
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What the frick happened to you, SFP?
He legitimately hates you and people like you.

Trump has caused the people SFP hates to be more vocal and annoying.

So he hates Trump too and wants him eliminated.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:30 am to
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Because it’s absolute gibberish.

1. It isn't

2. It addressed your histrionics directly
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:30 am to
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Not true


No that is true. The jury must come to a unanimous agreement on the underlying crime that Trump committed. That’s why this is going to be thrown out in five fricking seconds when it reaches the Supreme Court.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:30 am to
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He legitimately hates you and people like you.

I don't hate OML, of his ilk

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Trump has caused the people SFP hates to be more vocal and annoying.

So he hates Trump too and wants him eliminated.

I'm explaining the law apolitically and without any personal opinion or preference. Pure, objective analysis/responses.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298561 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:31 am to
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Because it’s absolute gibberish.


Since Hank was banned, SFP became the leader of obfuscation.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:31 am to
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No that is true.

The jury can be given many options to choose from.

Again, go back to my post that you keep ignoring to understand how this will need to be done at the re-trial.

I've already explained the issues and how they will be fixed.

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That’s why this is going to be thrown out in five fricking seconds when it reaches the Supreme Court.

It will be remanded for re-trial, again, as I have said.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476328 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:32 am to
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Since Hank was banned, SFP became the leader of obfuscation.

Except I am answering directly
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