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re: Levin Says Trump CAN Pardon Himself From State Charges

Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:40 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:40 am to
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It makes since.


Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:44 am to
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how are the 1000's of DA's and state prosecutors given such authority to "cripple" a Presidency?

Same way a random judge can halt a President's entire agenda.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 11:50 am to
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Levin Says Trump CAN Pardon Himself From State Charges
LOL. It isn't even likely he can pardon himself from federal charges. The entire premise that a sitting president cannot be investigated is based on an opinion, not some judicial decision or law.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 12:20 pm to
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It makes since.


Tell me you're a Trump supporter without telling me you're a Trump supporter.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 1:15 pm to
In all seriousness, Levin needs to spend about 15 seconds thinking about the history of the Constitution.

REMEMBER, the delegates at the Convention represented the STATES. They were selected and SENT by the State governments.

What are the chances that those men would have given the President unilateral power to pardon ANYONE that he wanted to pardon from prosecution by the STATES for violation of STATE law?

zero
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17301 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 2:05 pm to
Dude sometimes it’s best to watch the game vs trying to play it. You may not look so damn foolish that way
Posted by Timeoday
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 3:05 pm to
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Same way a random judge can halt a President's entire agenda.


Same way a Federal judge can halt a President's entire agenda.

FIFY
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28696 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 3:14 pm to
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Or and if he wins the presidency he can veto funding to GA and NY unless they expunge his record.




You don't think the Democrats and Republicans would combine to override that veto with about 95% of the vote?
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 3:23 pm to
nonsense. your post depends on feelings. its not law.

back to reality.
trump gets to plead insanity after his monday pretending how he really won.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3577 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 3:23 pm to
trump blocks them from making 10s of billions of dollars. that is it. nothing else
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:11 pm to
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Dews it?


Have you ever heard of the Constitutional "Supremacy Clause??" Any law or legal action in any state that conflicts with the Constitution is subject to the SUPREMACY of the Constitution?

Constitutional SUPREMACY is what Levin is arguing as the basis for Trump being able to PARDON HIMSELF from the prosecutorial misconduct and inconsistent application of LOCAL and STATE laws. That's why I say it makes sense.

What's your argument AGAINST the SUPREMACY Clause of the Constitution, since we both use the Constitution as our guide. Do you have one? Let's hear that.
This post was edited on 8/16/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16728 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:12 pm to
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AggieHank86
quote:

quote:
The President ... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States ....



Well the way the democrats would handle this situation would be:

Get IRS involved, full audits of the individual, plus their entire family and any friend they have spoken to in the last 10 years.

Get the DOJ involved to look for anything that could possibly be illegal. If nothing found get someone to write a report (or dossier) and then leak that report to the DOJ\FBI and let them use that as an excuse to investigate.

I could go on but even you know where I am going with this.

As brash and crass as Trump is he must be the CLEANEST politician to ever live. The only things that he has been indicted for are bullshite.
Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:17 pm to
Im guess this case gets bumped up to federal court.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25228 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:19 pm to
That's not an indictment, it's a political rant posited on the notion that opposing the leftist party line is a crime against the state. That's just part and parcel of Marxist doctrine.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:21 pm to
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Let's hear that.
OK

I am amused that you really seem to believe that you just said something intelligent.

The Supremacy Clause is utterly irrelevant to the question of whether a POTUS can issue a pardon for a state-level offense. If lawyers had our own little comedy clubs, your post is the sort of thing that we would expect to hear on the main stage, accompanied by unanimous and uproarious laughter.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28177 posts
Posted on 8/16/23 at 4:33 pm to
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Or and if he wins the presidency he can veto funding to GA and NY unless they expunge his record.




There's no line item veto to surgically remove specific funding. He would have to veto all funding for everything.
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