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re: Let’s get this clear once and for all: the internet is NOT a utility
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:12 am to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:12 am to Errerrerrwere
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Your tears are delicious...
I would love to know that you do for a living.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:13 am to ShortyRob
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I can tell you what I think on this. But honestly, have YOU tried to ask yourself that question?
Or is it your belief that Comcast is going to bend over Netflix, Amazon, Google et al, and nothing will happen?
Considering they pretty much did bend over Netflix...
My position is that the cable companies are leveraging their position as both creators of media and purveyors of it. Its no different than the vertical monopolies of old, only they have allied together to form an oligopoly. Together they control what news/media you see (because they created it), and also what you have access to see (because they control your access).
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:13 am to sealawyer
I’m a GC and invest in real estate. What does that have to do with the OP? 
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:14 am to Errerrerrwere
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invest in real estate.
And you are telling me with a straight face that you don't need the internet as a fundamental part (aka a utility) of how you do business?
Edit: and to cut you off before you get started, you honestly might not use the internet, and you might be incredibly wealthy, but without the internet you are leaving massive amount of money on the table if you are that good without it.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:15 am to NYNolaguy1
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Ever heard of the Sherman Act?
I sure have! If the big ISPs are violating the Sherman Act, then why do we need a weak, easily reversible regulation from the FCC for net neutrality? Surely you guys can sue under the Sherman Act if there is an actual, real monopoly in place, right? If there is a real monopoly, you should have the offender(s) broken up in no time.
All this bellyaching is merely people getting mad that a service they like might not be provided in exactly the same way (unless, of course, the market forces it). Notice the lack of riots over cable providers who charge more for premium content or cell providers who allot a certain number of minutes, after which surcharges apply. Internet service is the exact same thing (a telecommunication) according to you guys, so why the selective outrage?
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:16 am to Errerrerrwere
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Well, then do something about it.
Right, let me call my congressmen and convince him to listen to me rather than the bribes he gets in campaign contributions from the cable cabal.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:17 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:That's not an answer.
Considering they pretty much did bend over Netflix...
Especially since Netflix worked it out with them. In, I mean..........not to put to fine a point on it..........a MARKET MANNER!
quote:Do you know that you could find people typing almost exactly your words..........about Blockbuster Video..........in 2005!!
My position is that the cable companies are leveraging their position as both creators of media and purveyors of it
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:18 am to Tigerlaff
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I sure have! If the big ISPs are violating the Sherman Act, then why do we need a weak, easily reversible regulation from the FCC for net neutrality? Surely you guys can sue under the Sherman Act if there is an actual, real monopoly in place, right? If there is a real monopoly, you should have the offender(s) broken up in no time.
Shhhhh. There's a sky to scream at
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:18 am to Errerrerrwere
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I’m a GC and invest in real estate. What does that have to do with the OP?
I am sure your clients will appreciate your bids, RFIs, Proposals, etc being delivered by mail, because you dont need the internet
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:18 am to Errerrerrwere
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Let’s get this clear once and for all: the internet is NOT a utility by Errerrerrwere
Like electricity, water, or gas.
And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.
Clearly those remarks don’t settle it once and for all. But your provocative drama at least started yet another thread about the topic.
Whether or not something becomes a public utility has no dependency of a determination that it is essential for life.
Electricity, piped in clean water, and gas were never essential to life. But they all became public utilities when they became valuable to our higher standards of living.
Whether or not internet access is similar remains a valid conversation.
Unless a business model is selling roadside produce, the internet has become an essential tool in our modern commerce. Has it not?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:19 am to ShortyRob
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Do you know that you could find people typing almost exactly your words..........about Blockbuster
I had no idea blockbuster owned most of Hollywood.
When did this hapoen?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:21 am to Eurocat
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The ID card plays a key role in almost every innovative e-service in Estonia. It can authenticate identity and also provide a digital signature. The weight of the signature is backed by Estonian law making it legally-bind
You are right, we need this in the U.S., we could enact the most stringent voter ID laws in the world.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:22 am to NYNolaguy1
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I am sure your clients will appreciate your bids, RFIs, Proposals, etc being delivered by mail, because you dont need the internet
Most of the time, I or an estimator (depending on the amount) drive our happy asses over there and sit at their kitchen table to discuss it.
If it’s a business; their offices. We email it also; but no one really thinks the intrawebs is being taken away from us for good, do we?
Seems irrational and out of touch with reality if so.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:22 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:See. Now you're being lazy again.
I had no idea blockbuster owned most of Hollywood.
The point is. Nothing the NN folks are saying is new.
I can show you video of Phil Donahue INCREDULOUS at Milton Friedman for thinking that it would be OK if Sears bought K-Mart because Sears was such a juggernaut.
You guys can't seem to think past the scary part. You hit the scary part, and the world stops for you.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:22 am to Willie Stroker
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Whether or not something becomes a public utility has no dependency of a determination that it is essential for life.
Electricity, piped in clean water, and gas were never essential to life. But they all became public utilities when they became valuable to our higher standards of living.
Whether or not internet access is similar remains a valid conversation.
Holy Christ, an actual argument. All of this is accurate. Thus, my earlier post: call your representatives and tell them you want ISP service classified permanently as a utility by statute. Based on the ridiculous level of outrage, this should be the easiest federal law ever passed.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:23 am to Tigerlaff
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If there is a real monopoly, you should have the offender(s) broken up in no time.
Right, I am sure they will get right on that.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:23 am to Errerrerrwere
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Like electricity, water, or gas.
And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.
So, it sounds like you are saying everyone has a choice they can make. Interesting...
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:24 am to ShortyRob
With or without NN, the majority of American customers in 10 years were going to be accessing their internet via wireless connections.
Eventually, that number is going to include basically every American who doesn't have a special need for the absolute fastest available speeds.
Bookmark this shite cause there's a better than even chance I'll be on this board in 10 years.
Eventually, that number is going to include basically every American who doesn't have a special need for the absolute fastest available speeds.
Bookmark this shite cause there's a better than even chance I'll be on this board in 10 years.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:25 am to Errerrerrwere
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but no one really thinks the intrawebs is being taken away from us for good, do we?
No, see, they want to move the goal post now. First it was "the internet will be slowed down."
Now, its "people won't have access to the internet for basic everyday functions like paying bills, applying for jobs, etc."
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:25 am to Tridentds
People can also live without electricity but thats not exactly a smart choice now is it?
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