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re: Let’s get this clear once and for all: the internet is NOT a utility
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:44 am to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:44 am to Errerrerrwere
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And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.
Technically, no. But if you are saying that, then you have to say electricity or gas isn’t essential to life either.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:45 am to CorporateTiger
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Well I already said it was. And I said it was once and for all, so this argument is totally closed
This is beautiful!
Muh Russia, Muh Netflix, Muh resistance!
Sorry, Trump is president. Life isn’t free anymore.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:45 am to Freder
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to say electricity or gas isn’t essential to life either.
It’s not. But it is essential to rent an apartment. Internet is NOT!
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:46 am to NYNolaguy1
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You are simply erecting your strawmen, then knocking them down. Go on...
You keep saying that everyone who disagrees with you thinks ISPs are a completely free market.
That's nonsense and honestly, a meaningless argument.
In fact, basically all of you sky screamer arguments COMPLETELY stop at the "what if they......." part of the discussion.
Do you ever actually try to answer your own question honestly by playing devil's advocate with yourself?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:46 am to Errerrerrwere
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Sorry, Trump is president. Life isn’t free anymore.
Why do some people associate this with only support of Trump? I fail to see this as a partisan issue.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:46 am to NYNolaguy1
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Another person that believes the telecom industry is a part of the free market...
If you want internet service classified as a Title II utility, CALL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS AND TELL THEM SO. It's amazing how many people were placing their steadfast hope and trust in the damned FCC, a 5 person unelected agency board that the SCOTUS has expressly recognized as a political body that shifts with the prevailing winds of power.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:46 am to Freder
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electricity or gas isn’t essential to life either.
What do you mean by "gas"?
Natural Gas? Propane? Gasoline?
Gasoline isn't free ... never has been. Never will be.
Plenty of homes are all-electric.
Plenty of homes do not have the internet ... like my parents, for example. They do just fine without it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:47 am to Errerrerrwere
I heard a lady raising hell about this on the news last night. She asked the host if we really wanted to put control of the internet in the hands of a bunch of multi-million dollar corporations. I told my wife I’d much prefer that than putting it in control of a single multi-trillion dollar political machine.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:47 am to Errerrerrwere
How much is Russia paying your for these posts because no one with any brains would post them without being paid.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:48 am to Errerrerrwere
Wonderfully substantive response.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:49 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:Well... you may not be correct there, now, bucko. It IS considered part of this nation's 'Critical Infrastructure' by the Dept. of Homeland Security. As such, it comes under the same regulations and protections as if it was electricity, water and gas.
Like electricity, water, or gas.
And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.
DHS Critical Infrastructure Sectors
This makes it subject to PRESIDENTIAL POLICY DIRECTIVE/PPD-21 that provides for regulations and funding for protecting it from harm because of the irreparable damage it would do to our health and economy if it were disrupted.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:49 am to Eurocat
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How much is Russia paying your for these posts because no one with any brains would post them without being paid.
Is he wrong? Under the current federal law of the United States, is internet presently classified as a utility?
Was it classified as a utility before yesterday's vote?
All I keep hearing from your side is "well.... it should be!"
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:49 am to ShortyRob
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You keep saying that everyone who disagrees with you thinks ISPs are a completely free market.
Because one of the main arguments in favor of repealing NN was to "reduce regulation" and empower the free market.
If the telecom industry is not a a part of the free market, how will relieving NN change the monopoly of the current stakeholders?
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In fact, basically all of you sky screamer arguments COMPLETELY stop at the "what if they......." part of the discussion.
Ironically that's exactly what "small govt conservatives" do when they talk about MJ legalisation or FISA court reform.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:51 am to Errerrerrwere
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And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:51 am to NYNolaguy1
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If the telecom industry is not a a part of the free market, how will relieving NN change the monopoly of the current stakeholders?
When was the “current stakeholders” considered a monopoly by the US Congress?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:53 am to Tigerlaff
My response is "Well it should be" without any problems.
Read what I posted about the internet and Estonia.
Read what I posted about the internet and Estonia.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:54 am to Errerrerrwere
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When was the “current stakeholders” considered a monopoly by the US Congress?
Again, another fine question. Which anti-trust laws are being violated?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:54 am to Errerrerrwere
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When was the “current stakeholders” considered a monopoly by the US Congress?
The same congress that tells you that you need mandatory insurance?
I am not sure they are the best group to take prudent direction from.
Eta: Congress doesnt declare monopolies.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:55 am to NYNolaguy1
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The same congress that tells you that you need mandatory insurance?
Deflect. Pivot.
C’mon Brian why don’t you just answer the question?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:56 am to NYNolaguy1
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Another person that believes the telecom industry is a part of the free market...
Another person that believes government is the solution to government.
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