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re: Let’s get a standard of what qualifies for a national emergency

Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:43 pm to
Posted by ChexMix
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:43 pm to
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Let’s get a standard of what qualifies for a national emergency
how about millions of illegal aliens entering our country every year.

That about sums up the national emergency
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:43 pm to
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boosiebadazz


Whether I liked you or not. I believe in freedom. Even when I have a choice to deny it under the guise of another institutions rules.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:45 pm to
Certainly. I had this big idea to tie my ridiculous banishment to the larger idea here that the government should/ should not regulate Google for banning conservatives, but then I started drinking wine and watching basketball.

But apparently you’re one of the few men of principle here
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:46 pm
Posted by RJYH
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:46 pm to
DEFLECT
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:46 pm to
No. And I'm sorry for you that you felt the need to reply in such a fashion.

Have a nice evening.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:47 pm to
?

Posted by IllegalPete
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:47 pm to
Welcome Back!



The B squad was embarrassing themselves in your absence.
Posted by WoWyHi
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:47 pm to
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DEFLECT


It's a legit discussion and honestly one that should draw more responses. It has far reaching, long term ramifications. This is truly a bipartisan issue.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:48 pm to
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The B squad was embarrassing themselves in your absence.


I’ll do my best to hasten the decline
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:50 pm to
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The nuclear option and writing law by EO is too.

A huge mistake made by the right is the thought of “if we decline to do this... the left will also decline it when they are presented with the possibility”.

It’s an absolutely false assumption.



This.
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:50 pm to
What a stupid question.
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:52 pm to
It is. Under the law as it is today, Obama could have declared global warming a national emergency and had incredibly powerful options open to him on what he could do unilaterally. As long as the Dems had one chamber and wouldn’t pass a resolution ending the emergency it would be up to the courts and injunctions (and him obeying the injunction).

The phrase “national emergency” is exactly what you do not want individual courts defining in this context. Talk about judicial activism and ruling via politics
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:54 pm to
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Next Dem President will declare mass shooting and guns. This is why it's bad. Then the next Republican President says abortion is, etc.

This isn't a good path to head down.
border security is within the jurisdiction of the president, restricting guns is a violation of the constitution. I understand what you’re saying, but there are some boundaries
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:55 pm to
Where are the boundaries
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:58 pm to
Sure, but again. You still can't set standards on the unknown. Maybe you can require a congressional element to it, but that could be problematic if there were, say a coup attempt.

We've been in a perpetual state of emergency since the Carter administration. Maybe dems can work with republicans on border issues and we wouldn't need to bother with one more.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80210 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:00 pm to
I think requiring both chambers to override the declaration is problematic and shortsighted. Requiring just one chamber would stop situations like this. If it’s truly an emergent situation requiring the increased unilateral powers then it would be a rally around the flag situation in which both parties are on board. 9/11, Pearl Harbor, etc.

Requiring one chamber to nullify would be a good start.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 10:01 pm
Posted by DallasTiger11
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:00 pm to
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Here’s a list of the emergencies. Doing a domestic one of this size would be pretty unprecendted it appears.
Posted by bmy
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:02 pm to
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Right. But as pointed out this could be a dangerous precedent and executive overreach.

Let's say in 2024 a far left candidate wins and declares climate change a national emergency and mandates a 3 dollar a gallon increase on federal excise taxes on all hydrocarbon based fuels. Could you see that being problematic? I could


This is exactly what would happen. Threatening to declare a national emergency (or to not declare one after a disaster, etc) because of congressional unwillingness should get a president impeached and removed.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:03 pm to
Political expediency still counts for something.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:03 pm to
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Can we get some universal standard established


Illegal, smelly, criminal alien rapists, and violent gang members invading the country would be 1.
There must be more.
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