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re: Let me get this straight, the main reason we are doing this is to bring more jobs to US?

Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:31 am to
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:31 am to
Because we can't build a fricking ship in this country
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:32 am to
Imagine yourself cleaning up a yard that hasn't been mowed or cleaned in years. At first you gotta cut down the saplings and pick up all the obstacles in the yard. After that, You can tell its gonna take you about 20 hours of work to get this done. But thats an estimate.

They can see NOW about how much they are going to find. They are just getting started. They can't really see all the hidden obstacles, they can't foretell all the democrat judges that are going to try to stop them. But they know its a HUGE sum of money.

I'm really good on really bad analogies.

ANd now I see where I wrote this on the wrong topic.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 11:34 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:34 am to
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Why do we need more jobs when we have the lowest unemployment rate in the world and just had an absolute stellar jobs report? The government now wants our country to just work hard instead of smart? Help me understand. Those are very low paying jobs. The only people who will want those jobs he’s deporting left and right. Right now all that’s happening is money is going out of Americans pockets and going straight into the federal government.


Manufacturing jobs build the middle class. Younger generation doesn't seem to want to work. Gonna suck for them.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 11:36 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:35 am to
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Then cut welfare

No trade war necessary


We'd love to, but you'd cry about that too.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:38 am to
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So we can exploit them?

Your concern is noted, AOC.

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You seem to be the one getting emotional over "slave labor"...

No. I'm educating your leftism with facts and logic.

Sweatshops are good for poor nations. They give those nations an opportunity to advance from poverty and agrarian economies to industrial and developed economies.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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477219 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:39 am to
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We'd love to, but you'd cry about that too.

I'm the one who is consistently anti-Leftist, so no.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:43 am to
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Why?
Control. Exclusivity. Capacity.
In Friedman's analogy, you've hired the secretary. If you chose to fire her, there is limited productivity risk. You can immediately return to typing while you look for a new secretary. None of that is apropos.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:43 am to
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In Friedman's analogy, you've hired the secretary. If you chose to fire her, there is limited productivity risk. You can immediately return to typing while you look for a new secretary. None of that is apropos.


So we should subsidize every industry to ensure they're here?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28174 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:46 am to
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So we should subsidize every industry to ensure they're here?


Definitely catfish and shrimp.

I mean hell, someone already said something about the US being self sufficient for coffee.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:47 am to
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Definitely catfish and shrimp.

I mean hell, someone already said something about the US being self sufficient for coffee.


That's why when the "national security" stuff starts I demand the full list up front, to avoid the potential of the moving target.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:51 am to
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Then I can only assume you haven't really followed the arguments people are making and what they think a trade deficit means.
You can assume as you'd like. You should assume I don't follow your characterization of the various arguments I've followed, though.

Perhaps to test validity, we could change grocery to drug dealer?

In reality though, trade is a partnership. There is no partnership between an individual shopper and a grocery store
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:53 am to
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So we should subsidize every industry to ensure they're here?
In Friedman's analogy?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:57 am to
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I demand the full list up front



With ever-changing technology, it's impossible for the list to remain static.

When the army relied heavily on horses and mules we needed a robust horse and mule industry. Not so much anymore.
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3738 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 11:58 am to
Climate change is more believable than how we define unemployment
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:02 pm to
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In Friedman's analogy?

No. He understands the cost of this.

You're trying to use it to justify subsidizing US industry to avoid these potential negative externalities (the cost may never materialize).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:02 pm to
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With ever-changing technology, it's impossible for the list to remain static.


Then it's "infrastructure"
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:09 pm to
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I'm the one who is consistently anti-Leftist, so no.


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unvaccinated individuals bear "a ton of moral responsibility" for straining healthcare systems, particularly due to the availability of a "free, easy, readily available shot" that reduces severe outcomes.


Is this you? This is a pretty leftist position in most people’s opinion.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:12 pm to
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No. He understands the cost of this.
Not evident in that analogy.

Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Then it's "infrastructure"


That probably fits with my notion of capacity.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28174 posts
Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:15 pm to
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Perhaps to test validity, we could change grocery to drug dealer?


You can use any voluntary exchange between two parties you like.

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In reality though, trade is a partnership. There is no partnership between an individual shopper and a grocery store


There isn't? Is my wife required to shop there or is it voluntary?
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