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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/15/20 at 4:16 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 10/15/20 at 4:16 pm to Wolfhound45
Hey man,
Usually some family and friends come out and make assinine statements defending perps like these?
Have we seen any of these yet, or have some been deleted?
Usually some family and friends come out and make assinine statements defending perps like these?
Have we seen any of these yet, or have some been deleted?
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Posted on 10/15/20 at 4:19 pm to BarberitosDawg
I have not seen anyone tied to Dolloff taking his side other than his lawyer.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 4:25 pm to Toomer Deplorable
an interesting comment at that link
Posted on 10/15/20 at 4:43 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Breaking
Unlicensed security guard Matthew Dolloff will be charged with murder in the 2nd degree
Unlicensed security guard Matthew Dolloff will be charged with murder in the 2nd degree
quote:
DENVER (KDVR) – Matthew Dolloff, the unlicensed security guard working with a 9NEWS reporting crew at a “Patriot Muster” in downtown Denver last week, will be charged with murder in the 2nd degree.
If convicted, this charge carries a mandatory prison sentence of between 16 and 48 years.
Photos from the event show Dolloff and the victim, Lee Keltner, facing off before the deadly shooting. According to the police narrative, Keltner had been involved in an argument with another man and at one point turned his attention toward Dolloff. Keltner hit Dolloff in the face and then within seconds discharged OC spray while Dolloff simultaneously fired one shot.
9NEWS said it had contracted with the security company Pinkerton for an unarmed guard. Pinkerton said it contracted with another company that employed Dolloff. However, there is no record of Dolloff as a licensed security guard in the City and County of Denver.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 10/15/20 at 5:24 pm to Wolfhound45
Hell fricking yes
Posted on 10/15/20 at 5:30 pm to Wolfhound45
Great News! I will add it to OP.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:02 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:Sounds like the TV station has settled on how to distance itself from the shooter.
9NEWS said it had contracted with the security company Pinkerton for an unarmed guard. Pinkerton said it contracted with another company that employed Dolloff. However, there is no record of Dolloff as a licensed security guard in the City and County of Denver.
Still waiting to see if there will be any further arrests or fallout from this... pretty sure that if a group of people plan a crime and a homicide occurs, the group gets charged (think robbery, etc).
Seems fairly evident that the media folks planned confrontations to film. If someone spills the beans on this, wouldn't it open up the entire group to charges?
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:03 pm to Wolfhound45
2nd degree is the right move.
I think they'd have lost on 1st. Glad they recognized that.
I think they'd have lost on 1st. Glad they recognized that.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Agreed. No question that Dolloff’s actions meet the elements of 2nd Degree, leaving self-defense as the only real issue at the trial. Simplifies the prosecution markedly.
2nd degree is the right move.
I think they'd have lost on 1st. Glad they recognized that.
Plus, no prosecutor could have argued the elements of 1st Degree with a straight face. It really hurts your case in the eyes of the jury when you cannot even list the elements without a hearty guffaw.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:12 pm to Wolfhound45
You’re not alone.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:13 pm to Scoob
quote:
Seems fairly evident that the media folks planned confrontations to film. If someone spills the beans on this, wouldn't it open up the entire group to charges?
I would think so. We have still have not heard from Helen who her guy was that she was asking where they were taking him.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:18 pm to AggieHank86
I'm still not 100% that this is easy 2nd degree either, but I do think it's the right charge.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:20 pm to Scoob
quote:Not sure the felony murder rule (as codified in Colorado) would apply here
Seems fairly evident that the media folks planned confrontations to film. If someone spills the beans on this, wouldn't it open up the entire group to charges?
quote:You can argue they were planning (or hoping for) a criminal assault, but criminal assault is NOT “arson; robbery; burglary; kidnapping; or sexual assault.”
Section 18-3-102(1)(b) of the Colorado Revised Statutes (CRS) Title 18 of the Criminal Code outlines Colorado’s felony murder rule. According to this section, a person commits felony murder when he or she – either alone or with one or more persons – commits or attempts to commit any of the following crimes:
arson;
robbery;
burglary;
kidnapping;
sexual assault (CRS 18-3-402);
sexual assault in the first as prohibited by CRS 18-3-402 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000;
sexual assault in the second degree as prohibited by CRS 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000;
a class 3 felony of sexual assault on a child (CRS 18-3-405); or
escape (CRS 18-8-208)
and while
in the course of;
In the furtherance of;
in the attempt to; or
during the immediate flight from
committing or attempting to commit one of the above-listed offenses, the person or one of the other persons involved in the commission or attempt to commit the same crime causes the death of another person not involved in the crime.
Maybe they could generate charges for some sort of conspiracy to commit a lesser offense.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:23 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:The self-defense element makes it ANYTHING BUT an easy case for the prosecution, but on the elements of the basic charge it is a cakewalk.
I'm still not 100% that this is easy 2nd degree either, but I do think it's the right charge.
quote:
The elements of the crime of murder in the second degree are:
that the defendant,
in the State of Colorado,
at or about the date and place charged,
knowingly,
caused the death of another person.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
The self-defense element makes it ANYTHING BUT an easy case for the prosecution
If I'm prosecuting this case, I'm going to hammer home his training more than anything else.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:32 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Good deal with finding that.
Not sure the felony murder rule (as codified in Colorado) would apply herequote:
quote:
Section 18-3-102(1)(b) of the Colorado Revised Statutes (CRS) Title 18 of the Criminal Code outlines Colorado’s felony murder rule. According to this section, a person commits felony murder when he or she – either alone or with one or more persons – commits or attempts to commit any of the following crimes:
arson;
robbery;
burglary;
kidnapping;
sexual assault (CRS 18-3-402);
sexual assault in the first as prohibited by CRS 18-3-402 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000;
sexual assault in the second degree as prohibited by CRS 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000;
a class 3 felony of sexual assault on a child (CRS 18-3-405); or
escape (CRS 18-8-208)
and while
in the course of;
In the furtherance of;
in the attempt to; or
during the immediate flight from
committing or attempting to commit one of the above-listed offenses, the person or one of the other persons involved in the commission or attempt to commit the same crime causes the death of another person not involved in the crime.
You can argue they were planning (or hoping for) a criminal assault, but criminal assault is NOT “ arson; robbery; burglary; kidnapping; or sexual assault.”
So they likely avoid BIG charges, as long as nobody reveals something like a conspiracy to commit murder.
I suspect lawsuits will still be incoming.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:34 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:One wonders what “training” he had. As Wolf has correctly demonstrated, he made LOTS of tactical errors as a “security guard” and was not even licensed.
If I'm prosecuting this case, I'm going to hammer home his training more than anything else.
I suspect that much of his “training” consisted of standing before a mirror and practicing his quick-draw skills.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:37 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
One wonders what “training” he had. As Wolf has correctly demonstrated, he made LOTS of tactical errors as a “security guard” and was not even licensed.
Right, and that's what I mean. There are a lot of indicators that he's done live fire training, even if it is just practicing shite he saw on YouTube in his back yard.
He trained himself to be proficient at the draw stroke and first shot, but doesn't appear to have bothered learning the most important elements of his job.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:The fact that he was a crappy security guard is VERY important in the civil case. Less so in the criminal case, IMO.
DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:40 pm to AggieHank86
Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but in Denver you CANNOT conceal carry regardless if you have a license or not. So regardless, Dolloff is in violation of that. This guy is toast and deserves everything coming to him.
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