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Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:42 pm to
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in Denver you CANNOT conceal carry regardless if you have a license or not.


Oh shite
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:42 pm to
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in Denver you CANNOT conceal carry regardless if you have a license or not.
Can you link something in support of this assertion. I think you are mistaken.

Everything I have seen says that you can concealed carry in Colorado if licensed, and Dolloff has been confirmed to have been fully-licensed.
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Concealed carry is legal in Colorado for residents with a Colorado permit to carry a concealed weapon (CCW) and non-residents with a CCW permit from a state that Colorado honors. CCW permits can be issued to any resident at least 21 years old and not prohibited by law from possessing a firearm.
The City of Denver DOES seem to ban OPEN carry. LINK
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 10:01 pm
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:42 pm to
That is a problem for Keltner as well. He was carrying concealed too.

This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 9:44 pm
Posted by ColoradoTiger1987
Tampa
Member since Jan 2019
1645 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:44 pm to
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That is a problem for Keltner as well. He was carrying concealed too.


Would you like to charge the dead? For real?
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
158011 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:44 pm to
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That is a problem for Keltner as well.


Not any longer. The antifag took care of that sadly.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:45 pm to
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Less so in the criminal case, IMO.



Right, which is why I'd constantly remind jurors about his training and his weapon paralleled with his actions. That, to me, shows that he was more interested in using his weapon than providing security.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:46 pm to
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Would you like to charge the dead? For real?


With a self-defense claim, Keltner will be on trial, too.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33516 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:55 pm to
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Not sure if this has been mentioned or not but in Denver you CANNOT conceal carry regardless if you have a license or not. So regardless, Dolloff is in violation of that. This guy is toast and deserves everything coming to him.



Why do they offer permits then?


Denver Police Dept
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33516 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:23 pm to
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Michelle Malkin
@michellemalkin
The nutball menace who instigated #denvershooting and was subject of @denverpost photographer Helen Richardson's Mob Glamour Shots now wants people to give him money for a "safety fund."

Can't make this shizzle up.


POS started a GoFundMe claiming his life is in danger.
Posted by ColoradoTiger1987
Tampa
Member since Jan 2019
1645 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:25 pm to
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Can you link something in support of this assertion.


LINK

The law is very vague in Denver and I should have elaborated on my original post. Back in May, there was a anti lockdown protest in which one of the people gathering there was arrested for conceal carrying and he had a permit.

Where the law gets vague in Denver is that you are not allowed to conceal carry a gun that can hold fifteen or more rounds.

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The state of Colorado does not ban assault rifles, but the city of Denver bans all assault weapons. Large capacity magazines (LCMs) are restricted to fifteen rounds.


I’m no gun expert but I’m assuming that Dolloffs custom glock held more than that. It doesn’t matter if he had 15 rounds in it or only one. It’s the capacity.

Furthermore after looking into the article more it states that Colorado is not a “stand your ground state either”. I know they are a “Make My Day”

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However, there is no “stand your ground” law in Colorado, so anyone who feels threatened outside of his or her home must attempt to retreat first and may only use deadly force as a last resort.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:33 pm to
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I’m no gun expert but I’m assuming that Dolloffs custom glock held more than that.


Looked like a 19 with factory mags. Can't be positive, but if that's correct, we're looking at 15 rounds.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:35 pm to
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1.3 Stand Your Ground law

Colorado follows “Stand Your Ground” law. This law allows you to defend yourself without retreating from a fight, first. It allows people to use reasonable and appropriate force – including deadly force – without withdrawing.3

Unlike Colorado’s “Make My Day” law, Stand Your Ground applies outside the home, as well.

Example: The driver of a car is trying to run Robert over. Robert pulls out his gun and shoots the driver without trying to get out of the way.4

Stand Your Ground can be a defense for people who are trespassing on someone else’s property. However, it only allows trespassers to use self-defense against unlawful force.5 Because property owners can lawfully use force against a trespasser, there are some situations where trespassers cannot claim self-defense.


Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:58 pm to
Colorado Supreme Court reaffirms self-defense right to ‘stand your ground’

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DENVER–In a June 29 ruling the Colorado Supreme Court threw out the conviction of a woman who stabbed a man in the neck during an altercation and ordered a new trial due to prosecutorial misconduct, as well as reaffirmed Colorado’s “no duty to retreat” rule, which, as Justice Hood wrote in the state high court’s decision, “permits non-aggressors to stand their ground when acting in self-defense.”
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33516 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:27 pm to
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Michelle Malkin
@michellemalkin

OMG at new @9News attempt to get ahead of #denvershooting fiasco. Dolloff was just 1 of FIVE(!!!) of station's unlicensed security guards. When sister station's reporter tried to get more info, @9News REFUSED...

Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127401 posts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 12:48 am to
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Would you like to charge the dead? For real?
You clearly have not followed this thread. Clearly.

But the fact that he was carrying concealed will be brought up by the defense.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:05 am to
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ColoradoTiger1987
Thank you for that summary and link. Your summary seems to be largely consistent with the linked article, with one important exception. You say that “in Denver ... you are not allowed to conceal carry a gun that can hold fifteen or more rounds.”. The article says that LCMs are allowed “up to” fifteen founds.

If the article is accurate and if Dolloff’s weapon had a maximum capacity of fifteen rounds (and no more), Denver ordinances would NOT have prevented concealed carry of that weapon.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 6:40 am to
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Why do they offer permits then?

I have a nephew who possesses CCW permit in the Colorado Springs area. As I understand it, Colorado has a requirement for significant training before issuing such permission.

To what extent that applies to Denver may vary.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33516 posts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:07 am to
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1) The completed and unsigned County Sheriffs of Colorado Concealed: Handgun Permit Application. Applications must be signed in the presence of the issuing County Sheriff or their designee during the appointment for fingerprints and a photograph which will be scheduled later.



2) An original handgun training certificate or photocopy that includes the original signature of the class instructor. Certificates must contain applicant's name, course name and date and instructor's original signature. Online, home study and hunter safety courses will not be accepted.

3) A valid Colorado State identification card.

4) Proof of Denver County residency. Examples can include: lease agreement, mortgage statement, copy of tax statement, bank statement, pay stub, and voter registration. NO OTHER DOCUMENTATION WILL BE ACCEPTED.

5) A cashiers check or money order in the amount of $152.50, payable to the Denver Police Department. Cash or personal checks will not be accepted.

Please Note: Effective March 14, 2014, concealed handgun permit applications (new and renewals) must be submitted to the county sheriff's office where you reside, own a property or own a business.

Please complete the following documents prior to fingerprinting and photograph appointment:

Non-Criminal Justice Applicant Privacy Screening

Authorization for Release of Information
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33516 posts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:11 am to
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On 10/11/20 at 7:27AM a screenshot of Matthew Dolloff's Twitter follows = 464.

Hours after Dolloff shooting & arrest, while Dolloff is in custody, 'someone' added an additional 'follow'
@_michaelbrooks

to Dolloff's Twitter account, now Following = 465.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33516 posts
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:22 am to
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Michelle Malkin
@michellemalkin
Replying to
@michellemalkin
Just wow. @9news put #denvershooting instigator Jeremiah Elliott on its airwaves tonight so he could pimp his Antifa-supported @gofundme, allowed him to evade q's about his interactions w/media last Saturday & painted him as the victim.


9News Elliot Interview

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It's a Trap!
@__AdmiralAckbar
Replying to
@michellemalkin

@9NEWS and @gofundme
Did Jeremiah Elliott actually say that Lee Keltner "chose to assault our news company"? What does he mean by "our"?




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