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re: Left-Wing News Hired Hitman Charged W/ 2nd Degree Murder Of Patriot
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:29 am to JJJimmyJimJames
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:29 am to JJJimmyJimJames
One thing that I've noticed, seeing some older photos of Dolloff and especially some with his wife, girlfriend, whatever she was, Dolloff seems to have gone through some changes, in his dress and appearance. The older photos, he appears more like a country boy type, Jeans, flannel shirts, ball cap etc..more recent photos, he has totally changed his style. He has shaved his beard, wearing more recent styles of clothes and hair,some people said that he had split with the girl in the photos. Almost seems like a different person. When I see something like that, it makes me wonder what happened. There is usually a new woman involved.
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Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
I don't think a "stand your ground" defense is going to fly here. Lee was backing up when he got shot. The "altercation" was over.
"stand your ground" doesnt mean you get to shoot people who hit you and run away.
"stand your ground" doesnt mean you get to shoot people who hit you and run away.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 7:31 am
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:34 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Holy shite! So he was with them. All a set up.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:08 am to Tiguar
quote:
I don't think a "stand your ground" defense is going to fly here. Lee was backing up when he got shot. The "altercation" was over.
"stand your ground" doesnt mean you get to shoot people who hit you and run away.
I didn't say that it would be successful. I replied in response to this:
quote:
Furthermore after looking into the article more it states that Colorado is not a “stand your ground state either”.
That appears to be incorrect.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:10 am to DisplacedBuckeye
DB, correcting erroneous statements of law or fact AUTOMATICALLY mean that you have taken a side, usually contrary to the prevailing narrative.
You know this.
You know this.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:12 am to AggieHank86
I know how it works.
Suppose I'm just a little rusty after my vacation.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:19 am to DisplacedBuckeye
yeah sorry, I didn’t bother to read too far back to see what the context was around your reply. I went back a few pages but missed that.
Just so Ms Hank knows, I did TRY to find the context around your reply and didn’t see what you were correcting, so I assumed you were trying to assert its applicability
Just so Ms Hank knows, I did TRY to find the context around your reply and didn’t see what you were correcting, so I assumed you were trying to assert its applicability
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:24 am to Tiguar
All good.
Just to be clear, I do think this dude's going to be and should be convicted.
There are some things that give me pause but, ultimately, he made some bad decisions that you just can't make when carrying.
Just to be clear, I do think this dude's going to be and should be convicted.
There are some things that give me pause but, ultimately, he made some bad decisions that you just can't make when carrying.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:47 am to DisplacedBuckeye
those are basically my feelings, conspiracy/stalking not withstanding.
I think there’s a lot of smoke to see if this was a setup but ignoring that and putting the events that transpired in a vacuum, the guy shot someone who didn’t need to be shot and clearly didn’t know how to act in the capacity of a security guard.
I think there’s a lot of smoke to see if this was a setup but ignoring that and putting the events that transpired in a vacuum, the guy shot someone who didn’t need to be shot and clearly didn’t know how to act in the capacity of a security guard.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:47 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:To be clear, there are PROBABLY people out there who see Dolloff as some sort of unblemished hero in a white Stetson.
There are some things that give me pause but, ultimately, he made some bad decisions that you just can't make when carrying.
I am NOT one oof those people. He made several questionable decisions.
But the case will turn upon how a DENVER jury interprets a split-second reaction to Keltner raising his arm and pointing a (possible) weapon at Dolloff ... all analyzed in the context of a BoP which requires the PROSECUTION to DISprove Dolloff’s belief that Keltner was about to shoot him and requiring that the jury be convinced “beyond a reasonable doubt.”
I just don’t see the State meeting that burden to the satisfaction (beyond a reasonable doubt) of twelve random DENVER residents.
If the BoP lay with Dolloff OR if the civil standard (more likely than not) applied, Dolloff would be toast.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 8:50 am
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:49 am to Bobby OG Johnson
He says immediately afterwards that he works security. Was he working security for Helen Richardson? Was he “her guy” that she was inquiring about?
9News is dirty in this.
9News is dirty in this.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:52 am to AggieHank86
The perhaps most damning aspect is the headshot and he only fired one round.
He can claim he didn’t mean to kill Keltner when he drew and he was provoked to shoot when Keltner raised the mace in defense, but if that’s the case then why was he basically already aiming at his head? He didn’t draw to discourage, he drew and immediately began aiming at his head evidenced by the nigh-simultaneous shot.
And he only shot once. Any CCW class will tell you to shoot center mass and multiple times to really send home the “I feared for my life” message to any jury.
He can claim he didn’t mean to kill Keltner when he drew and he was provoked to shoot when Keltner raised the mace in defense, but if that’s the case then why was he basically already aiming at his head? He didn’t draw to discourage, he drew and immediately began aiming at his head evidenced by the nigh-simultaneous shot.
And he only shot once. Any CCW class will tell you to shoot center mass and multiple times to really send home the “I feared for my life” message to any jury.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 8:53 am
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:57 am to Tiguar
The police footage, will show that he had considerable time to aim, because Keltner wasn't advancing on him.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 8:58 am to Tiguar
quote:Interesting point re the headshot, but the timing element (“already aiming at the head”) has some problems.
Tiguar
The video we saw yesterday from behind Keltner clearly shows that he had raised AND fired the gas at LEAST 3-4 frames before Dolloff ever got his weapon up and into firing position. Of course, those 3-4 frames record about 1/4 to 1/3 of a second.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 9:00 am to auggie
quote:No, but Keltner WAS raising and aiming a possible weapon, and the TDPT majority have decided that Dolloff already knew Keltner to be conceal-carrying a handgun.
The police footage, will show that he had considerable time to aim, because Keltner wasn't advancing on him.
From Keltner hitting Dolloff’s head to the pistol shot, as I recall a bit less than two seconds elapsed, based upon the EXIF data from the still cameras. It MAY have been 2.5.
This post was edited on 10/16/20 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/16/20 at 9:00 am to AggieHank86
That’s the point, though. You don’t really make snap headshots. It’s a process to draw, level, ascertain sight picture and squeeze. That’s a big reason you don’t aim for the head in a true self defense situation. You double tap center mass because you will most likely land your shots under duress. The fact he landed a headshot means he intended to aim for the head as soon as he drew.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 9:14 am to Tiguar
quote:I think everyone recognizes that Dolloff was a bit of a hotdog with his fancy toy
You don’t really make snap headshots. It’s a process to draw, level, ascertain sight picture and squeeze. That’s a big reason you don’t aim for the head in a true self defense situation. You double tap center mass because you will most likely land your shots under duress. The fact he landed a headshot means he intended to aim for the head as soon as he drew.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 9:18 am to AggieHank86
quote:You do not hotdog in that situation. You use training and instinct. He had trained to make that shot and did it confidently and well. From draw to aim to shoot.
I think everyone recognizes that Dolloff was a bit of a hotdog with his fancy toy
Posted on 10/16/20 at 9:22 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I think everyone recognizes that Dolloff was a bit of a hotdog with his fancy toy
You are the champion of minimizing in your description of this. That sentence is far better describing something from a sporting event rather than the murder of an individual.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 9:36 am to AggieHank86
quote:
From Keltner hitting Dolloff’s head to the pistol shot, as I recall a bit less than two seconds elapsed, based upon the EXIF data from the still cameras. It MAY have been 2.5.
That is actually quite a bit of time, and the police footage will show slightly more time for the whole sequence of events, and that Dolloff had plenty of time to think, and just back away, out of range of the mace.
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