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re: Leaving Syria will be one of Trump's worst mistakes in office
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:54 pm to GeneralLee
Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:54 pm to GeneralLee
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So you'd rather see the Middle East continue to be infested with Islamists as opposed to a secular democracy like Kurdish NE Syria currently is where women and religious minorities are not persecuted?
What i'd rather see is people stop being spineless pussies and stand up for themselves if they want to be free. fricking fight back.
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Posted on 12/20/18 at 1:59 pm to MrCarton
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No, they are advocating for Trump to prioritize them as immigrants rather than pump in thousands of street shitting Somalians into places like Iowa and Maine.
Has Minnesota run out of space for them?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 2:01 pm to ItTakesAThief
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But Erdogan is screaming about the killing of a Saudi Citizen in the Saudi Embassy who was a terrorist sympathizer and hater of his own country.
...that some folks believe here in the US is somehow our problem or, at least, Donald Trump's fault.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 6:44 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Since World War II ended, the world has operated under the Pax Americana. Between then and the defeat of Napoleon, it was the Pax Britannica.
The leader of the free world - the strongest democracy- ensured freedom of the seas, diplomatic communications, and rule based trade.
The United States has the duty to preserve world order. It is in our best interest because it keeps us safe and prosperous. Our legitimacy in the world depends on us following the law, keeping our promises, honoring our obligations, and staying on the high moral ground. This is how Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union and how GHW Bush put together the coalition against Iraq.
The Russian bots who drive this site are giddy over Trump discarding 100 years of leading the globe — all to suck up to Erdogan and Putin. China, Russia and Iran will gladly fill the vacuum left by our abandonment and retreat into isolationism. And you can be sure none of them will be driven by the moral imperatives that used to make us the envy of the world.
I know taking a contrarian view is pointless on this board. Let your insults and downvoteds fly. But on this issue, our uninformed impulsive president is making a disastrous mistake with huge long lasting ramifications for our country and the world. Someone needs to say it (not just Lindsey Graham).
The leader of the free world - the strongest democracy- ensured freedom of the seas, diplomatic communications, and rule based trade.
The United States has the duty to preserve world order. It is in our best interest because it keeps us safe and prosperous. Our legitimacy in the world depends on us following the law, keeping our promises, honoring our obligations, and staying on the high moral ground. This is how Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union and how GHW Bush put together the coalition against Iraq.
The Russian bots who drive this site are giddy over Trump discarding 100 years of leading the globe — all to suck up to Erdogan and Putin. China, Russia and Iran will gladly fill the vacuum left by our abandonment and retreat into isolationism. And you can be sure none of them will be driven by the moral imperatives that used to make us the envy of the world.
I know taking a contrarian view is pointless on this board. Let your insults and downvoteds fly. But on this issue, our uninformed impulsive president is making a disastrous mistake with huge long lasting ramifications for our country and the world. Someone needs to say it (not just Lindsey Graham).
Posted on 12/20/18 at 6:56 pm to SpringBokCock
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The United States has the duty to preserve world order. It is in our best interest because it keeps us safe and prosperous. Our legitimacy in the world depends on us following the law, keeping our promises, honoring our obligations, and staying on the high moral ground
The utter arrogance of this post is absolutely mind boggling. First, the idea that the United States is successful at being the world's police is absurd. Our meddling in places like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen and Syria have made those places objectively worse. Second, I don't care how prosperous it makes us, an American life isn't worth protecting our interests, it's only worth protecting our borders. Third, it's easy to see you've deep throated the propaganda about us following the law and having a high moral ground. We are the world's largest exporter of state violence and have continuously supported some of the world's most repulsive dictators over the past several decades.
The sad thing is, you actually believe the drivel you posted. Defense contractors and foreign lobbyists who contribute millions to our political elite every year love saps like you: while you regurgitate the propaganda, they make billions off the blood of working and middle class Americans who view the military as a way out of poverty, not as a global police force or babysitter.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:01 pm to SpringBokCock
quote:Goddamn man. That’s an impressive pile of word vomit you must’ve copied from a Rand report or something.
Since World War II ended, the world has operated under the Pax Americana. Between then and the defeat of Napoleon, it was the Pax Britannica.
The leader of the free world - the strongest democracy- ensured freedom of the seas, diplomatic communications, and rule based trade.
The United States has the duty to preserve world order. It is in our best interest because it keeps us safe and prosperous. Our legitimacy in the world depends on us following the law, keeping our promises, honoring our obligations, and staying on the high moral ground. This is how Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union and how GHW Bush put together the coalition against Iraq.
The Russian bots who drive this site are giddy over Trump discarding 100 years of leading the globe — all to suck up to Erdogan and Putin. China, Russia and Iran will gladly fill the vacuum left by our abandonment and retreat into isolationism. And you can be sure none of them will be driven by the moral imperatives that used to make us the envy of the world.
I know taking a contrarian view is pointless on this board. Let your insults and downvoteds fly. But on this issue, our uninformed impulsive president is making a disastrous mistake with huge long lasting ramifications for our country and the world. Someone needs to say it (not just Lindsey Graham).
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:03 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
SpringBokCock sounds like he just came to TD from the ashes of The Weekly Standard. Seriously, the guy sounds like more of a warmonger than Bill Kristol.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:06 pm to GeneralLee
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is where women and religious minorities are not persecuted
I heard for about the last decade that American hated women more than any place on earth.
I've read for the last few years that the USA was the worst, most racist, least inclusive nation in the history of this planet.
What gives?
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:07 pm to SCLibertarian
I actually flipped a coin between Bill Kristol and Rand Report
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:08 pm to SpringBokCock
You are a very conventional and unoriginal Neoconservative who believes that because something was that it must always be. That catastrophic paradigm died in Vietnam but wasn’t buried until Iraq. Horrified by the loss in American blood and treasure, We have absorbed the lesson . Or should I say most of us have absorbed the lesson. That Neoconservative holdouts missed the lesson surprises no one. There are NEVER enough dead Americans for you guys.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:12 pm to SCLibertarian
I love how people that never served a day are pro war, We need to solve our problems at home first.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:19 pm to Hulk Hogan
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We need to solve our problems at home first
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:28 pm to SpringBokCock
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I know taking a contrarian view is pointless on this board. Let your insults and downvoteds fly. But on this issue, our uninformed impulsive president is making a disastrous mistake with huge long lasting ramifications for our country and the world. Someone needs to say it (not just Lindsey Graham).
You definitely are a vagina.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:34 pm to GeneralLee
quote:ummmm….no. And we don't need troops on the ground, we can use missiles up the arse on them. Advanced warfare, space force and shite. Death from above.
am not a Neocon and don't wish for permanent war, but leaving a few hundred troops in NE Syria (down a lot from the current 2K) would be enough to hold Turkey and Erdogan at bay and prevent a massive genocide.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:40 pm to SpringBokCock
well as far as the middle east goes we've tried "stand up for the little guy"
"give a man a fish...."
I say it's time we try the old tried and true methods either "throw them in the deep end and let them sink or swim" or "kill em all and let god sort them out" but we can do either of those from the shores of America not knee deep in their shitholes
"give a man a fish...."
I say it's time we try the old tried and true methods either "throw them in the deep end and let them sink or swim" or "kill em all and let god sort them out" but we can do either of those from the shores of America not knee deep in their shitholes
Posted on 12/20/18 at 7:43 pm to GeneralLee
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So you'd rather see the Middle East continue to be infested with Islamists as opposed to a secular democracy like Kurdish NE Syria currently is where women and religious minorities are not persecuted?
Here’s what’s going on in China, you know the country we poured billions into over the past 30 years...., should we invade? Maybe it’s not genocide but then again we really don’t know for sure. It’s certainly oppression.
According to ChinaAid, an advocacy group that documents human rights abuses in the communist nation, 17 people were violently detained, including Pastor Wang Yi and his wife, who attempted to block the door.
Pastor Bob Fu, founder and president of ChinaAid, said the number of people arrested in China for exercising their religious freedom “has reached the highest level since the end of the Cultural Revolution.” He cited internal figures showing a nearly fivefold increase in the number of Christians who were persecuted by the government last year.
“For Christians alone, last year we documented persecution against 1,265 churches, with the number of people persecuted over 223,000. And that is just the tip of the iceberg,” Mr. Fu said. “In 2016, there were 762 cases of persecution, according to our documentation, with the number of people persecuted 48,000. It really is almost five times [as much].”
He said ChinaAid knows of 3,700 Christians who were arrested in 2017, up from 3,500 the previous year. Some religious dissenters and human rights activists have been detained for years, Mr. Fu said, with their families left to wonder if they are still alive.
This post was edited on 12/20/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 12/20/18 at 8:23 pm to GeneralLee
You've never seen a fellow soldier lose his life while fighting for someone else have you? If you have you would want to bring them all home. To hell with Syria!
Posted on 12/20/18 at 9:45 pm to SCLibertarian
I love how he begged for serious banter, got owned, and vanished.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:00 pm to GeneralLee
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The moment we leave Erdogan will invade NE Syria with his jihadist thugs and slaughter tens of thousands of Kurdish- soldiers and civilians alike. It will be a massive betrayal of a key US ally that will be terrible to watch.
Why does the USA have to police the entire planet?
Let some other countries have their turn.
Posted on 12/20/18 at 10:21 pm to GeneralLee
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So you'd rather see the Middle East continue to be infested with Islamists as opposed to a secular democracy like Kurdish NE Syria currently is where women and religious minorities are not persecuted?
Not at all- but- how is Iraq doing?
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