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re: Lawyers present Presidential pardon to Tina Peters's jailers. Colorado: "So?"

Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:00 pm to
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I believe Trumps team is arguing that the state charges are over a national election, so national interests are primary.

This is really to expose CO as the powerless small state that it is. Likely this is an opening salvo.


Personally, I think Peters is a hero for trying to expose the flaws in the Dominion system. Unfortunately, she went about it the wrong way. Her sentence was undoubtedly too harsh. I wish Governor Polis would pardon her.

Unfortunately, the Constitution is clear, and there's no legal ground to stand on for a Presidential pardon. I was struck with how naive her lawyers were to think Colorado was going to just release her.

The fact that they did that without a backup plan, makes me think this isn't a serious attempt to spring her from jail. I think this wasn't the White House's first salvo. I think it was their last.

Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:03 pm to
The governor needs a phone call.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:03 pm to
why can't the feds charge her (& chauvin) w/fed crimes, take custody of her, place her in a country club fed pen & give her day furloughs.

I asked this in the other thread. I got a lot of DVs, but no answer
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:04 pm to
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Vox has continuously proved to you why this is a legit case

He has not

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and you refuse to listen.


I did listen.

And then I refuted his silliness
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:06 pm to
Scratch that
This post was edited on 12/13/25 at 3:08 pm
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Seems like the time to make that argument was before the trial started in state court, but I'm no attorney.


Yup. Or to try to remove it to federal court based on the nexus between the underlying federal considerations and the Colorado laws.

At this point, I don't think there is any good-faith legal argument to be made for the efficacy of a Presidental pardon. This would be a much worse case than the elections cases from 2021. The Colorado bar association will sanction anybody who files a challenge to the incarceration of Peters based on President Trump’s pardon faster than you can say "Rudy Giuliani."
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:10 pm to
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It's embarrassing for the admin


it was her attorneys, not the administration


Maybe they thought it might be malpractice not to try.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:11 pm to
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Or to try to remove it to federal court based on the nexus between the underlying federal considerations and the Colorado laws.

There was no real nexus

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The Colorado bar association will sanction anybody who files a challenge to the incarceration of Peters based on President Trump’s pardon faster than you can say "Rudy Giuliani."

Not if they're challenging. The law to try to repeal the current interpretation. The problem at the election attorneys got into was dishonesty with the court
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:12 pm to
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was her attorneys, not the administration

Trump isn't part of his own administration?

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Maybe they thought it might be malpractice not to try.

It's hard to imagine a case of malpractice based in following the law
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:13 pm to
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I believe Trumps team is arguing that the state charges are over a national election, so national interests are primary.
I get it, but even though it was a national election, she broke a bunch of laws and her tampering with the election equipment by not following the law caused the county to have to replace nearly a million dollars worth of election equipment. I understand the sentiment that it was a federal election, but that's a real stretch and I don't see how the argument can change the facts.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:14 pm to
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get it, but even though it was a national election, she broke a bunch of laws and her tampering with the election equipment by not following the law caused the county to have to replace nearly a million dollars worth of election equipment. I understand the sentiment that it was a federal election, but that's a real stretch and I don't see how the argument can change the facts.


Correct
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:14 pm to
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However Governor; Ms Peters identified voter fraud.


Yea I’m sure that will go over well and the Gov will come to her senses. She was still convicted and Trump can’t do anything with that regardless of his intention.
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:15 pm to
She gon' be in jail a long time. tOrange can't pardon anyone convicted for state crimes.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:16 pm to
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There was no real nexus



I agree. I was just going along with the proposition that if you had a theory as to how this was "federal" that should have been asserted long ago.

Do you think an argument for the efficacy of a presidential pardon would be subject to Rule 11 here?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:21 pm to
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Trump isn't part of his own administration?


No one from the Trump administration went to the prison to ask for her release.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:27 pm to
The silly pardon itself has no role in this?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:29 pm to
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The silly pardon itself has no role in this?


Well yeah.

He's obviously trying to bring attention to the situation and brew controversy.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:31 pm to
Crimes against the United States.

She was convicted for violations of state law.

No authority.

It sucks for her, but it's pretty damned clear.
Posted by jclem11
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Member since Nov 2011
9768 posts
Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:43 pm to
Why does MAGA keep simping for a brain dead Q tard criminal?

Let it go. She’s a criminal and needs to do her time.
This post was edited on 12/13/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Dex Morgan
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Posted on 12/13/25 at 3:46 pm to
And you are straight up delusional if you think any of us believe your account isn't an alter.
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