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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 9/19/26 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 9/19/26 at 2:50 pm to
[quote]But perhaps the President’s son letting his wedding be paid by and celebrating a Russian involved in the abduction and re-education of 1000s of Ukrainian children taken by the Russian army is yet a

Which son is running the companies, and which one tried his hand at podcasting? Which son allowed himself to get sucked in (literally) by that largemouth bass?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 9/19/26 at 6:36 pm to
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Russia is not outright attacking a NATO country...it's not going to happen.


Would you consider a Russian drone strike on a Rheinmetall factory in Germany an outright attack? Or a drone strike on the British company manufacturing Storm Shadow cruise missiles an outright attack? Serious question.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 9/19/26 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by DMAN1968
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 6:20 am to
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Would you consider a Russian drone strike on a Rheinmetall factory in Germany an outright attack? Or a drone strike on the British company manufacturing Storm Shadow cruise missiles an outright attack? Serious question.

With proof...I would.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 6:42 am to
Honestly they probably set up a fake computer for a photo op and didn't license anything on it
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 6:45 am to
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If the US refuses its obligations to NATO, the consequences of such monumental stupidity will be severe for our country. For me, this is a red-line issue with Trump.


The guy is not rational whatsoever. There are far more grounds to impeach him over being senile at this point than there were for Biden (who also was very much senile himself).

I find the narrative that a country who has its hands full with Ukraine is going to launch strikes on Europe more broadly, but the timing of this is awful

Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 6:50 am to
quote:

Would you consider a Russian drone strike on a Rheinmetall factory in Germany an outright attack? Or a drone strike on the British company manufacturing Storm Shadow cruise missiles an outright attack? Serious question.

With proof...I would.


Yeah, why is it that farfetched that Ukraine would destroy something important to Germany and then blame it on Russia? It's literally already happened
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:04 am to
Ukraine's General Staff details strike on Moscow Oil Refinery, reports hits on Buk-M3 and Nebo-U

Roman Petrenko — 20 September, 13:17

Ukraine's General Staff has reported that three units at the Moscow Oil Refinery were damaged in an overnight strike. The defence forces also hit a Russian Buk-M3 air defence system, a Nebo-U radar station and a drone production site in occupied territory.

Source: General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Facebook

Details: The General Staff said the Moscow Oil Refinery in the Kapotnya district was hit on the night of 19-20 September. A major fire broke out at the facility.

The military said that the damaged equipment includes the AVT-6 crude oil distillation unit, a comprehensive oil processing unit and an isomerisation unit.

The Moscow Oil Refinery has an annual capacity of around 12 million tonnes of oil. The General Staff noted that the facility is involved in supplying the Russian armed forces.

In addition, the defence forces hit a Russian Buk-M3 air defence system near Ukrainka in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, and a Nebo-U radar station was hit near Balka in Donetsk Oblast on 19 September and on the night of 19-20 September.

A Russian drone production site was also hit near occupied Siverskodonetsk in Luhansk Oblast.

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:10 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:14 am to
Last night, Moscow was the focus of the Ukrainian drone strikes. First, the refinery was hit in at least three places:

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Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:16 am to
Ukraine may have used a new missile in the attacks:

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Posted by cypher
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:19 am to


The systems used included FP-1, RZ-100, MICH-2000, Palianytsia, Vendetta, Liutyi, Bars, Flamingo, Sichen, and Pelican.

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EDIT: The Pelican used was not the FP-7.
This post was edited on 9/20/26 at 7:49 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:23 am to
Ukraine also struck a facility that supplies industrial steam to the refinery, as well as destroying this large warehouse complex.

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Overall, a very successful night for Ukraine.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:40 am to
Cypher, there was certainly discussion about that, but it appears that there is more than one "pelican" attack weapon, and this one is just a drone.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:45 am to
Ukraine also announced more success in "Operation Vivaldi," its offensive north of Lyman. They named another three villages recaptured and cleared.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:50 am to
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Cypher, there was certainly discussion about that, but it appears that there is more than one "pelican" attack weapon, and this one is just a drone.



Thanks, I updated the post.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:13 am to
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The Modern Warehouse Technologies facility in Sofyino, Moscow region, has completely burned down following the overnight attack.


That looks like a video of hell itself.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:14 am to
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EDIT: The Pelican used was not the FP-7.

Yes, that seems to be correct -

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:24 am to
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Ukraine may have used a new missile in the attacks:

It seems that new missiles and drones were used, including the Bars cruise missile, but this debris looks like an FP-5 Flamingo.
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The Bars -

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:38 am to
There are evidently multiple versions of the "Pelican" drone. All of which are short range, unable to hit Moscow. Zelensky was wrong in naming this drone.

BUT, the important thing here is the apparent appearance of the FP-5 Flamingos. This would be the first time they (or any other type of missile) have hit Moscow. Where were the A-50 AWACS aircraft?

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