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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 7/28/25 at 6:15 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 6:15 pm to
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No, you said that he said it. Show me the quote.


I never quoted Putin. I gave you my opinion of what he said. If you don’t like it, too bad. It’s my opinion.

[quote President Vladimir Putin has compared himself to Peter the Great, saying he shares the 18th-century czar's goal of returning "Russian lands" to a greater empire.[/quote]
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 6:27 pm to
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Putin has publicly stated his goals. Those goals involve taking Ukraine and several NATO countries.


"He publicly stated his goals"

Can you even show us this part?

"Taking Ukraine AND several NATO countries"

You were just completely bullshitting here. What a fricking grifter
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26931 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:05 pm to
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I just read various articles.

Many of the authors believe Putin is trying to expand the borders to rebuild the old empire.

The Baltic States do. They are ratcheting up their defenses now. Sweden and Finland are obviously worried and we know Poland’s thinking.

You have your opinion and I have mine.


Peace through strength. Weakness invites bullies.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
26931 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:10 pm to
Seems he wants to "retake the old Russian Empire."

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It came as Putin was marking 350 years since the birth of Peter the Great.
Vladimir Putin has compared his actions in Ukraine to Russian tsar Peter the Great's conquest of the Baltic coast during his 18th-century war against Sweden.

After marking Peter the Great's 350th birthday on Thursday with a visit to a museum, Putin told a group of young entrepreneurs in Saint Petersburg, “you get the impression that by fighting Sweden he was grabbing something. He wasn’t taking anything, he was taking it back."

In comments that were later televised, Putin compared his offensive in Ukraine with Peter the Great's campaign to expand the Russian Empire.


https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/06/10/putin-compares-himself-to-peter-the-great-over-drive-to-take-back-russian-land
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:22 pm to
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Peace through strength. Weakness invites bullies.


Asking someone to back up a claim they made is bullying?

If me, AU, or anyone else did the exact song thing we would never hear the end of it. He talked out of his arse. It's fine, he should just admit it. The coverup is worse than the crime.

Also keep in mind DoubleB tried to provide a link to a quote before shifting to "that's just my opinion".
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 7:38 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:27 pm to
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Seems he wants to "retake the old Russian Empire."



I don't see that quote in the article you linked.

I see references to taking back land, absolutely. This was from october 2022, so they were already in the midst of a war where they will likely obtain some land they once had.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:43 pm to
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The US needs Europe as a trade partner. Trump knows this and he leveraged trade for protection.

This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 5:49 pm


Up until this point Europe raped us on trade. The trade imbalance was ungodly. And we still provided their protection. That scenario existed for years. Were you ok with that?

I have a hard time seeing an American taxpayer being ok with and knowing that we pay for their defense and they spend their money on social welfare for their citizens. How does.that benefit the American taxpayer?

It might benefit one industry: the MIC who in turn rewards the.politicians with massive donations, positions .on their boards, and/or lobbying jobs to continue the same policy. It is a corrupt system. What other American industry has benefited from that policy as far as trade with the EU? Not Auto, not Ag etc. etc.

You people.have swallowed the.koolaid.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26931 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:02 pm to
Pretty girls from Ukraine doing their part.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42765 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:21 pm to
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grifter


Grifter????

Yea, that’s it I’m a grifter. Citizen is a liar. And you’re the free speech guy when all you do is troll and call people names.

Btw I have plenty of money, I’m not here to take yours.

quote:

to obtain (money or property) illicitly (as in a confidence game) intransitive verb : to acquire money or property illicitly grift noun grifter noun


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42765 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:25 pm to
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Up until this point Europe raped us on trade. The trade imbalance was ungodly. And we still provided their protection. That scenario existed for years. Were you ok with that?

Not no, but hell no.
quote:

I have a hard time seeing an American taxpayer being ok with and knowing that we pay for their defense and they spend their money on social welfare for their citizens. How does.that benefit the American taxpayer?

It doesn’t.
quote:

You people.have swallowed the.koolaid.

Cherry
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8432 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 8:28 pm to
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Yea, that’s it I’m a grifter. Citizen is a liar. And you’re the free speech guy when all you do is troll and call people names.



Well yes I guess to be precise I should have called you a liar. Ill get it right next time.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41439 posts
Posted on 7/28/25 at 9:07 pm to
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Btw I have plenty of money


Ukraine needs it
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21196 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 3:42 am to
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You people.have swallowed the.koolaid.

Jim Jones used flavor aid, so apparently we're safe.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4644 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:24 am to
The German-designed, EU-made IRIS air-to-air / surface-to-air missile is very effective against anything the Russians are using against Ukrainian cities now and is doing the job. They are ten times cheaper than the Patriot missiles and don't require US approval to employ.

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In 1995, Germany announced the start of the IRIS-T development, in collaboration with Greece, Italy, Norway, Sweden and Canada. In 1997, Germany had invested more than 500 million DM in this project and held a 46% share. In addition, Italy accounted for 20%, Sweden 18%, Greece 8%, Canada 4% and Norway 3%. Canada later dropped out, while Spain joined as a procurement partner in 2003. The German Air Force took first delivery of the missile in December 2005.[
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The IRIS-T is able to intercept fast-moving and miniature targets, such as air-to-air/surface-to-air missiles and air-to-surface/surface-to-surface missiles and rockets, UAV/drones, and cruise missiles. To improve the probability of a direct hit, the missile is equipped with a Ku band active radar proximity fuze.
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By June 2024, three variants were available: The initial IRIS-T air to air missile with 25 km range, IRIS-T SLS (short range) with 12 km range and 8 km altitude and IRIS-T SLM (medium range) with 40 km range and 20 km maximum altitude.

A third variant, IRIS-T SLX (long range) variant with a dual-mode (IR and RF) seeker, a range of 80 km and a maximum altitude of 30 km, is in development as of June 2024.

Due to increased demand due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Diehl Defence is increasing production of IRIS-T systems and missiles. It plans to produce three to four systems in 2024 and at least eight in 2025, with missile production planned to grow to around 400 to 500 per year starting in 2024.

Unit cost per missile (IRIS-T) is €400,000. (~US$473080), compared to Patriot missile costs of $4 to $7 million each.

But Russian drone and missile production is increasing and the Chinese are supplying them with components. As these drones are far cheaper than even IRIS missiles, the Russians will have the advantage with their terror campaign.

Therefore, the Russian drone and missile manufacturing sites must be hit. Is IRIS the answer? Probably not, but it is part of the answer. In regards to surface-to-surface applications, IRIS is designed to do this job as well. The only problem is range. Originally designed as an air-to-air weapon, the maximum range (for the T varient) is 100km. Not nearly long enough to be employed against the Shahed drone and cruise missile manufacturing facilities in places like Tatarstan. But if Ukraine is going to win this war, these facilities have to be taken out.

So... if the Germans designed and produced the IRIS missiles and the Taurus cruise missiles, and they're not going to give Taurus missiles to Ukraine, they certainly can give the Ukrainians all the assistance they need to produce a long range missile themselves. Built by Ukraine with technical and financial assistance from Germany, these missiles would change everything in this war.

Last May we had this announcement -
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Germany will deepen its military cooperation with Ukraine by supporting the purchase of long-range missiles produced in the war-ravaged nation, Chancellor Friedrich Merz said.

“Our defense ministers will sign a letter of intent today on procuring long-range weapon systems produced in Ukraine — so-called Long Range Fires,” Merz said Wednesday during a joint press conference with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Berlin. “There will be no restrictions on range.”

That builds on a broader €5 billion military aid package unveiled the same day by the German defense ministry. It includes German financing for the production of long-range weapons in Ukraine which are already in service with Ukrainian forces and can be deployed within weeks..


So what are these "long-range weapons in Ukraine which are already in service with Ukrainian forces and can be deployed within weeks"? Right now, if you made it this far, you're thinking about the Ukrainian Neptune cruise missiles that sank the Moskva. The new varients have a 1000km range and a 500kg payload and have already hit targets deep in Russia -
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Ukraine successfully tested its first long-range cruise missile [in March], hitting an oil refinery in Tuapse, about 1,000 kilometers from Ukrainian-controlled territory in Russia’s Krasnodarskiy Kray region. It caused a fire that took three days to extinguish.

This is clearly what Merz is talking about, the Long Neptune. But more range is needed still for Tatarstan. It is 1600km from Ukraine to the Alabuga Special Economic Zone near Yelubuga. Also in the same area is the Kazan Helicopter manufacuring facility and the KamAZ truck plant, the biggest employer in Tatarstan. This target area is the gold mine of Ukrainian planning and could go a long way to curtailing the Russian terror attacks and even ending this war.




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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:29 am to
Competition for the Bovovna of the Week is 'heating up'.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:33 am to
We can just see Marlon Brando lying in his hooch whispering, "The hubris... the hubris..."


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Remember, former Austrian Kneissl is a Russian asset, and moved to Russia years ago.


This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 4:38 am
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:49 am to
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Hackers have reportedly destroyed the entire IT infrastructure of Russia’s Aeroflot in a year-long cyber operation. All critical systems—from databases to internal mail and executive communications—were breached. Around 7,000 servers were wiped and over 20TB of data stolen. Damages are estimated in the tens of millions of dollars. The attackers call it a "strategic strike" on the company’s and state’s digital security.
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As a result, Russian sources confirm serious disruptions causing delays and cancellations at air Russian airfields.






Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8432 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:52 am to
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And you’re the free speech guy when all you do is troll and call people names


You know you could have just provided a link than says what you claimed, or since one doesn't exist just said "I was mistaken".

But remember folks, this is a man (or possibly a they/them based on all the confusion this poster clearly has) that is so dishonest that they/them couldn't even answer a yes or no question on whether or not they personally believed something.

Honestly we should expect less than nothing out of anyone who doesn't even have a firm belief system.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:52 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8432 posts
Posted on 7/29/25 at 4:53 am to
Another day of the mods having double standards when it comes to spamming propaganda
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