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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:54 pm to Narax
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:54 pm to Narax
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True, but our presidents have violated our Constitution in war times. We suspended civil rights, we locked up citizens, and we divided a state.
Are you saying that was a good thing?
No, I’m just pointing out the fact that you are criticizing the Ukraine government for following their Constitution by comparing them to our government which during war time held election but violated our Constitution by suspending Habeus Corpus, sub dividing a State and locked up thousands because they were of Japanese ancestory.
Your argument is flawed.
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You mean how many times did Lincoln do what he felt necesssry to save the Union even though it meant violating our Constitution?
Again he faced the electorate.
Congress backed his moves legally. The Supreme Court sided with him.
So breaking our Constitution is ok if all three branches of government agree? Where does it say that?
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So it’s ok for nations to bomb, attack, and kill citizens of Les’s democratic nations? No it’s not.
Uh isn't Ukraine bombing and attacking the citizens of less democratic Russia?
You do realize Ukraine is defending themselves in the same manner as we did in WWII?
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What was it that they did or were they doing to cause us problems? Whatever it was it couldn’t come close to what Russia was doing to cause issues for us around the world. The problem is that their government is becoming less and less democratic, this is not a problem the Ukrainian people are unaware of.
And this isn’t our problem. Their people might believe like our people did in the 1860s and in the 40s that the government had to do things in war time to survive.
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Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:19 pm to doubleb
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No, I’m just pointing out the fact that you are criticizing the Ukraine government for following their Constitution by comparing them to our government which during war time held election but violated our Constitution by suspending Habeus Corpus, sub dividing a State and locked up thousands because they were of Japanese ancestory.
Your argument is flawed.
No, Ukraine is naturally moving away from Democracy, you can't pretend they are being democratic.
A nation can be Democratic, and do bad things, or be non democratic and do bad things.
The Ukranian government is being non democratic.
Russia probably has a constitution to, but at this point it says Putin gets what he wants.
You are confusing democracy with Government. Just because Ukraine's constitution says they can suspend democracy, does not mean they are still a democracy.
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Constitution of North Korea
The constitution consists of seven chapters and 172 articles and codifies North Korea's basic principles on politics, economy, culture and national defense.
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So breaking our Constitution is ok if all three branches of government agree? Where does it say that?
Article V...
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You do realize Ukraine is defending themselves in the same manner as we did in WWII?
So you are arguing that becoming a dictatorship is fine because... WWII?
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And this isn’t our problem. Their people might believe like our people did in the 1860s and in the 40s that the government had to do things in war time to survive.
We will never know since they can't vote.
Maybe the people of Ukraine really want to be ruled by the Russians...
Who knows...
Maybe North Koreans really love the DPRK and Russians love Putin...
The world may never know...
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:23 pm to Errerrerrwere
They have been since 2014.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 9:43 pm to Narax
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No, Ukraine is naturally moving away from Democracy, you can't pretend they are being democratic.
Sure they are just as the US did. Other nations do the same things.
The US has partnered with dictators and monarchs in wars. I don’t see the big deal here. Ukraine isn’t doing anything that hasn’t been done before.
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You are confusing democracy with Government. Just because Ukraine's constitution says they can suspend democracy, does not mean they are still a democracy.
I’m against Russia. Sure it would be great if Ukraine held elections. But is that vital in defeating Russia? It’s not.
I don’t see where Zekensky is any closer to becoming a dictator than FDR was. He has been president for only five years right? FDR wax president for 13!
Ad for Ukraine wanting to be ruled by Russia, you don’t know history very well do you? Your views are pretty sophomoric.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 9:57 pm to Narax
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Maybe the people of Ukraine really want to be ruled by the Russians..
For many Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine, this war was actually a good thing. They want to be Russian
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:04 pm to texag7
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For many Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine, this war was actually a good thing. They want to be Russian
They should have moved.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:19 pm to doubleb
Many of you don’t understand the Ukrainians at all. Let me explain by using a famous Ukrainian story.
A genie comes to a Ukrainian farmer and tells him he has terrible news a huge famine is coming but he will grant him one wish, he says make it twice as bad on the Russians.
A year later he returns and tell hims a massive swarm of locust is coming but he can have one more wish, he quickly says make it 3 times as bad on the Russians.
The next year he comes back and says I have terrible news the black plague is coming and it’s going to kill half of all the people in Ukraine but I will give you one last wish and he says make it 4 times worse on Russia.
The genie ask ok but why wouldn’t you wish for no plaque. He quickly says we can deal with it but the Russians suffering even more will bring more joy to us than anything else you could offer us.
A genie comes to a Ukrainian farmer and tells him he has terrible news a huge famine is coming but he will grant him one wish, he says make it twice as bad on the Russians.
A year later he returns and tell hims a massive swarm of locust is coming but he can have one more wish, he quickly says make it 3 times as bad on the Russians.
The next year he comes back and says I have terrible news the black plague is coming and it’s going to kill half of all the people in Ukraine but I will give you one last wish and he says make it 4 times worse on Russia.
The genie ask ok but why wouldn’t you wish for no plaque. He quickly says we can deal with it but the Russians suffering even more will bring more joy to us than anything else you could offer us.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:24 pm to doubleb
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They should have moved.
Why? They’re in Russia now.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 10:32 pm to doubleb
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Sure they are just as the US did. Other nations do the same things.
The US has partnered with dictators and monarchs in wars. I don’t see the big deal here. Ukraine isn’t doing anything that hasn’t been done before.
As long as you agree that they are moving swiftly away from democracy.
That's my argument, and I think the Ukrainian people deserve better.
I think Jordan has been a great friend to the USA, but they are no democracy.
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I’m against Russia. Sure it would be great if Ukraine held elections. But is that vital in defeating Russia? It’s not.
Yea it is.
What are they fighting for if it's not their own country?
Lets see how fast morale collapses if democracy falls further.
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I don’t see where Zekensky is any closer to becoming a dictator than FDR was. He has been president for only five years right? FDR wax president for 13!
6 and change, FDR was elected 4 times, that was a mistake that we fixed.
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Ad for Ukraine wanting to be ruled by Russia, you don’t know history very well do you? Your views are pretty sophomoric.
It's spelled sarcastic...
To make a point that you are claiming something that just isn't true since they can't vote.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 5:30 am
Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:33 am to cypher
Russian attacks kill 4, injure 28 over past day, damaging UNESCO-protected landmarks in Odesa
July 24, 2025 10:26 am
Russian attacks against Ukraine have killed at least four civilians and injured at least 28 others over the past day, regional authorities reported on July 24.
In Kharkiv Oblast, three people were killed, while another five were injured due to the Russian strikes against nine settlements, Governor Oleh Syniehubov said.
In the village of Pidlyman, two men, aged 36 and 55, and a 55-year-old woman were killed. In the village of Petropavlivske, a 61-year-old man was injured, while in the town of Kupiansk, three men, aged 79, 70, and 75, as well as a 49-year-old woman, suffered injuries.
In Kherson Oblast, Russia targeted 39 settlements, including the regional center of Kherson, over the past day. As a result of the attacks, one person was killed and six, including two children, were injured, Governor Oleksandr Prokudin reported.
In Cherkasy Oblast, Russian strikes injured seven people, including a child, in the regional center of Cherkasy, Governor Ihor Taburets told local media Suspilne Cherkasy. Russia struck the city with missiles equipped with shrapnel-filled warheads.
In Donetsk Oblast, Russian attacks injured two people in the town of Myrnohrad, and one person in the settlements of Siversk, Staroraiske, Zarichne, and Kostiantynivka, according to Governor Vadym Filashkin.
In Odesa Oblast, Russian forces targeted the regional center of Odesa, injuring three people, according to the State Emergency Service. Russian drone strikes damaged UNESCO-protected landmarks and ignited a fire at Privoz, the city's largest food market, located in its historic center.
In Zaporizhzhia Oblast, a 43-year-old woman suffered injuries in the Russian attack at the Vasyliv district. Russian forces launched 387 strikes across 14 localities in the region in the past day, according to the local military administration
The Kyiv Independent
July 24, 2025 10:26 am
Russian attacks against Ukraine have killed at least four civilians and injured at least 28 others over the past day, regional authorities reported on July 24.
In Kharkiv Oblast, three people were killed, while another five were injured due to the Russian strikes against nine settlements, Governor Oleh Syniehubov said.
In the village of Pidlyman, two men, aged 36 and 55, and a 55-year-old woman were killed. In the village of Petropavlivske, a 61-year-old man was injured, while in the town of Kupiansk, three men, aged 79, 70, and 75, as well as a 49-year-old woman, suffered injuries.
In Kherson Oblast, Russia targeted 39 settlements, including the regional center of Kherson, over the past day. As a result of the attacks, one person was killed and six, including two children, were injured, Governor Oleksandr Prokudin reported.
In Cherkasy Oblast, Russian strikes injured seven people, including a child, in the regional center of Cherkasy, Governor Ihor Taburets told local media Suspilne Cherkasy. Russia struck the city with missiles equipped with shrapnel-filled warheads.
In Donetsk Oblast, Russian attacks injured two people in the town of Myrnohrad, and one person in the settlements of Siversk, Staroraiske, Zarichne, and Kostiantynivka, according to Governor Vadym Filashkin.
In Odesa Oblast, Russian forces targeted the regional center of Odesa, injuring three people, according to the State Emergency Service. Russian drone strikes damaged UNESCO-protected landmarks and ignited a fire at Privoz, the city's largest food market, located in its historic center.
In Zaporizhzhia Oblast, a 43-year-old woman suffered injuries in the Russian attack at the Vasyliv district. Russian forces launched 387 strikes across 14 localities in the region in the past day, according to the local military administration
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:46 am to cypher
Exclusive: Chinese engines, shipped as 'cooling units', power Russian drones used in Ukraine
By Reuters
July 23, 20253:49 PM CDT
July 23 (Reuters) - Chinese-made engines are being covertly shipped via front companies to a state-owned drone manufacturer in Russia, labelled as "industrial refrigeration units" to avoid detection in the wake of Western sanctions, according to three European security officials and documents reviewed by Reuters.
The shipments have allowed Russian weapons-maker IEMZ Kupol to increase its production of the Garpiya-A1 attack drone, despite the U.S. and E.U. sanctions imposed in October designed to disrupt its supply chain, according to the sources and documents, which included contracts, invoices and customs paperwork.
An internal Kupol document, reviewed by Reuters, showed it signed a contract with the Russian defence ministry to produce more than 6,000 Garpiya this year, up from 2,000 in 2024. The document stated that more than 1,500 drones had already been delivered by April.
The long-range drone is being deployed to attack civilian and military targets deep within Ukrainian territory, with around 500 being used by Russia per month, the Ukrainian military intelligence agency said in a statement to Reuters.
The European security officials asked that neither they nor their organisation be identified due to the sensitivity of the information. They also requested some specific details in the documents be withheld, such as their dates and the cost of contracts.
Reuters
By Reuters
July 23, 20253:49 PM CDT
July 23 (Reuters) - Chinese-made engines are being covertly shipped via front companies to a state-owned drone manufacturer in Russia, labelled as "industrial refrigeration units" to avoid detection in the wake of Western sanctions, according to three European security officials and documents reviewed by Reuters.
The shipments have allowed Russian weapons-maker IEMZ Kupol to increase its production of the Garpiya-A1 attack drone, despite the U.S. and E.U. sanctions imposed in October designed to disrupt its supply chain, according to the sources and documents, which included contracts, invoices and customs paperwork.
An internal Kupol document, reviewed by Reuters, showed it signed a contract with the Russian defence ministry to produce more than 6,000 Garpiya this year, up from 2,000 in 2024. The document stated that more than 1,500 drones had already been delivered by April.
The long-range drone is being deployed to attack civilian and military targets deep within Ukrainian territory, with around 500 being used by Russia per month, the Ukrainian military intelligence agency said in a statement to Reuters.
The European security officials asked that neither they nor their organisation be identified due to the sensitivity of the information. They also requested some specific details in the documents be withheld, such as their dates and the cost of contracts.
Reuters
Posted on 7/24/25 at 5:10 am to cypher
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Russia Attacked Privoz — One of Odesa’s Most Iconic Markets and a Cultural Landmark of the City
Posted on 7/24/25 at 6:42 am to Narax
According to doubleb's logic it's ok if Ukraine doesn't follow the law to the letter because they have to beat Russia, but they absolutely CANT hold an election because it's against Ukranian law.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 6:44 am to cypher
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The US Department of State has approved the sale of two military aid packages to Ukraine, totaling $322 million, as announced on July 23. This includes $172 million for HAWK Phase III air defense systems, covering maintenance, trucks, spare parts, repairs, and training.
Range for these Hawk missiles -
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If tweet fails to load, click here. This is the second arms package coming from the Trump administration this week. The Bradleys may take time to refurbish but the HAWKs should be good to go quickly.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 6:50 am to Coeur du Tigre
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The prime contractors would be BAE Systems, Cummins Inc., Leonardo DRS Inc., and Renk Group AG, with all work occurring in Europe.
And it seems that the HAWK missile systems will be coming from the Greek inventory. Would this have anything to do with the shadow fleet...? Do you believe in coincidences?
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“Just struck a deal with the European Union—this time they’ll pay 100% for all U.S. military equipment we send. They’ll receive it, redistribute it, and the bulk will go to Ukraine. It’s been a while since you’ve heard words like that,” Trump said, adding that after investing $350 billion, America is now supplying equipment to Europe at Europe’s expense.
Confirms the recent deal for arms sales to EU/NATO countries for distribution as they see fit. This is the best deal the Ukrainians will get from Trump and they will happily take it. Remember, Vlad is picking up the tab.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 7:02 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 7/24/25 at 7:03 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 7/24/25 at 7:16 am to Narax
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As long as you agree that they are moving swiftly away from democracy.
They moved away from democracy as a result of the war. The people deserve better and the quicker Russia leaves them alone, the better off they will be.
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Yea it is. What are they fighting for if it's not their own country? Lets see how fast morale collapses if democracy falls further.
They are fighting to be free of Russia. They aren’t fighting for elections. As long as Russia is attacking them they are the enemy.
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To make a point that you are claiming something that just isn't true since they can't vote.
Are you in fifth grade? Seriously,
Posted on 7/24/25 at 7:18 am to VolSquatch
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According to doubleb's logic it's ok if Ukraine doesn't follow the law to the letter because they have to beat Russia, but they absolutely CANT hold an election because it's against Ukranian law.
They overlook the corruption (not a problem) and the drawback from Democratic principles (meh), no elections(no problem).
But the protests in Kiev are growing. Z the dictator may have some problems. Seems like the people are sick and tired of being sick and tired. They are tired of the lies, corruption, false promises made and no future.
I watched a video of a guy in Kiev yesterday that secures equipment/trucks, etc. for the army. He is British and originally went to fight in the Foreign Legion I believe. He talked about the massive corruption, theft, and how you couldn't trust but 10% of the people there. He said the situation was really bad and alot worse than you hear from the media and the propagandists like Cope and the Bagdad Bob of Kiev. He talked about how tired the people were and the devastation that they were going through and how unpopular Z was. He was at the protests. He said that he has stayed and continued his work because of the true Ukrainian patriots (the soldiers that had layed down their lives).
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 7:34 am
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