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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:25 am to TballWed
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:25 am to TballWed
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Not to mention that literally every Ukrainian long-range drone uses 2 Starlink units on there, you take that away and all their drone tech is nothing more than an oversized RC hobby planes.
I recall when the Tomahawks were first developed in part because some of the the motion tracking terrain recognition spilled over into my field of special effects production. Being able to track something in real time was a big, state of the art deal back then. I could do the motion tracking, but it was anything other than real-time. It took dedicated hardware chips to make that possible in 1983. Today, a cell phone processor can do it and I suspect that Ukraine is capable of making it happen.
Terrain mapping isn't so tough these days because all it needs is a few recognizable features. It would only get interesting if a cruise missile had to pick a specific part of a refinery or a particular aircraft (which they have already done with planes).
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:17 am to WeeWee
quote:U.S.-Ukraine in discussions for drone defense deal Newsmax
The U.S. and Ukraine are discussing a defense agreement by which Kyiv would export military technology to the Trump administration and manufacture drones in joint ventures with American companies.
Officials from the State Department and Ukrainian Ambassador to the U.S. Olha Stefanishyna have drafted a memorandum outlining terms for a potential deal that could deepen military cooperation as the world increasingly focuses on drone warfare, CBS News reported Tuesday.
The proposal would allow Ukrainian firms to bring battlefield-tested drone and counter-drone technology to the U.S. while partnering with American defense manufacturers.
The discussions come as President Donald Trump pushes to strengthen U.S. military readiness amid growing threats from Iran, Russia, and China.
Ukraine has rapidly developed sophisticated drone capabilities during its years-long war with Russia, particularly against Iranian-designed Shahed drones used heavily by Moscow to attack Ukrainian cities.
Kyiv has since marketed those innovations globally, signing defense agreements with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates in recent months.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said nearly 20 countries are now involved in talks or agreements related to Ukrainian defense technology exports.
The proposed partnership could also benefit the U.S. military, which has increasingly looked to low-cost drone systems pioneered in Ukraine.
Defense News reported last month that the U.S. Army has begun deploying Merops interceptor drones first tested by Ukrainian forces to combat Iranian-style drone attacks.
Army Secretary Dan Driscoll told lawmakers the inexpensive interceptors help reverse the cost imbalance that has long plagued air defense systems.
"That puts us on the right end of the cost curve," Driscoll said during a recent hearing, noting the systems can destroy enemy drones at a fraction of the cost of traditional missile interceptors.
Reuters separately reported that Ukrainian counter-drone technology, including the Sky Map command-and-control platform, has already been introduced at Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia to help defend American forces and allies from drone attacks linked to Iran-backed threats.
The system reportedly helps detect incoming drones and coordinate interceptor strikes in real time.
The potential U.S.-Ukraine agreement would also provide a financial boost to Kyiv's defense industry, which Ukrainian officials say has outgrown the country's wartime budget.
Ukraine projects defense production capacity could reach $55 billion next year but currently lacks funding to fully utilize that capability.
Several Ukrainian companies have already entered the U.S. market. Drone manufacturer General Cherry recently signed an agreement with New Hampshire-based Wilcox Industries to produce unmanned aerial vehicles domestically.
The Pentagon has also invited Ukrainian firms to participate in its $1.1 billion Drone Dominance initiative aimed at rapidly expanding America's drone arsenal.
Still, political hurdles remain. Trump previously downplayed the need for foreign drone assistance, saying earlier this year: "We know more about drones than anybody."
Even so, the emerging partnership signals growing recognition inside Washington that Ukraine's hard-earned battlefield experience could strengthen America's own defenses as drone warfare reshapes modern combat.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:25 am to bigjoe1
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U.S.-Ukraine in discussions for drone defense deal
Ukraine is developing innovative drones like their life depends on it while our innovation in recognition of the changing reality of war has to go through the Pentagon's huge labyrinth of bureaucracy.
Good move on our part.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:27 am to Auburn1968
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Ukraine is developing innovative drones like their life depends on it
It kinda does
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:04 am to WeeWee
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If Trump stopped the training when he returned to office then why did Task Force Alpine assume command of training Ukrainian troops in Germany on 02/19/2026?
I'll never know the full reason, but I'm willing to bet it's because it's a mulitnational training effort with a framework most likely agreed upon years ago, possibly even before the invasion happening. The remaining 1% of the aid that we didn't cut probably benefits the right people (ie. arms dealers), and/or happened to be part of a larger contractual obligation we fulfilled, like NATO. Both of these reasons would explain why we are training pilots, as well. But that doesn't exactly make us the Sisters of Mercy.
It's true that Trump was able to get the Europeans to pay their share, and that's admirable, but it takes a darker turn when you look at all the favors he's doing Putin and the way they've pressured the Ukrainians to give in.
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You a dumbass who believes the lies the international MSM media tells you
I don't need the media, I've got my own professional contacts developed after decades in this warped business. But hey, keep thinking the 'Ukrainians don't have cards." Was it the media who said that?
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I actually have friends in Ukraine and went and volunteered in a children's hospital in Kharkiv in the summer of 2022.
Yeah, that's not a reflection on you big dog. Just your friend, god bless him. You may not be as supportive of an invaded people as you think when you tell someone to go 'suck a Ukrianian dick."
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:23 am to GOP_Tiger
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If tweet fails to load, click here. If Zelensky isn't implicated in the corruption probe, then there's no crisis, and that's good, because Ukraine didn't need a crisis like that.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 1:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
This pumping station in Perm must owe money to someone in Kyiv. This is the fifth time it's been hit in six weeks. I guess it's silly to ask what the air defense is doing.
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 1:30 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Magyar video explains the drone math....
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/12/26 at 2:22 pm to Leopold
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I'll never know the full reason, but I'm willing to bet it's because it's a mulitnational training effort with a framework most likely agreed upon years ago, possibly even before the invasion happening. The remaining 1% of the aid that we didn't cut probably benefits the right people (ie. arms dealers), and/or happened to be part of a larger contractual obligation we fulfilled, like NATO. Both of these reasons would explain why we are training pilots, as well. But that doesn't exactly make us the Sisters of Mercy.
Show us the treaty we have with Ukraine.
Next, there is a lot more to this than Ukraine. The EU has been screwing the US in trade for decades to keep US products out of its marketplace and of course welching on their agreed to contributions to defense spending. Europe needs to be the supporter of Ukraine way more than it has.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 4:15 pm to Leopold
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If Trump stopped the training when he returned to office then why did Task Force Alpine assume command of training Ukrainian troops in Germany on 02/19/2026?
I'll never know the full reason, but I'm willing to bet it's because it's a mulitnational training effort with a framework most likely agreed upon years ago, possibly even before the invasion happening. The remaining 1% of the aid that we didn't cut probably benefits the right people (ie. arms dealers), and/or happened to be part of a larger contractual obligation we fulfilled, like NATO. Both of these reasons would explain why we are training pilots, as well. But that doesn't exactly make us the Sisters of Mercy.
So you get proven wrong and double down. You are a dedicated dumbass.
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It's true that Trump was able to get the Europeans to pay their share, and that's admirable, but it takes a darker turn when you look at all the favors he's doing Putin and the way they've pressured the Ukrainians to give in.
Please name the favors Trump has done Russia. Name them specially.
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I don't need the media, I've got my own professional contacts developed after decades in this warped business.
What warped business are you talking about? I did not know being a dumbass on the internet was considered a business. I have been doing it for free all these years.
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But hey, keep thinking the 'Ukrainians don't have cards." Was it the media who said that?
I disagreed with Trump when he said that.
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Yeah, that's not a reflection on you big dog. Just your friend, god bless him.
I do not think you understand. I was the person who went to children's hospital in Kharkiv. My friend was my roommate in medical school and he is from Ukraine. He is currently an officer in the Ukrainian army and has been since he was recalled to Ukraine after the Kerch Straits Incident in 2018. I also have other friends in Ukraine because I have been there several times in the past.
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You may not be as supportive of an invaded people as you think when you tell someone to go 'suck a Ukrianian dick."
What do you mean? I am sure that there is some homosexual Ukrainian who would love a blowjob right now.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:28 pm to CitizenK
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Show us the treaty we have with Ukraine.
We don't have one, which is exactly why I (along with VP Vance) say that we don't support the Ukraine. To directly quote Vance, we've 'ended the support for Ukraine.' I mean, who am I to disagree with our VP?
What we do have is are treaties with NATO countries, both individually and collectively, and the arms, money, and political support that we provide is then given to the Ukraine. Many, including on this board, think this is dumb but I disagree for reasons stated many times on this topic.
That, and US companies like Boeing who still builds the F-15, no doubt see the Ukraine as a potential client and lobby various countries to provide them the planes so as to build a new relationship. Again, our limited 'support' doesn't exactly make us the Sisters of the Poor.
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Next, there is a lot more to this than Ukraine. The EU has been screwing the US in trade for decades to keep US products out of its marketplace and of course welching on their agreed to contributions to defense spending. Europe needs to be the supporter of Ukraine way more than it has.
Well, I agree with you on that, at least the 'decades' part, but since we no longer support the Ukrainians the support now comes almost entirely from the Europeans. Again, it's admirable that Trump has gotten the Europeans to shoulder more of the load, but with his relationship with Putin being what it is it's less about financial responsibility and more about the belief that if America just left the Ukrainians to die they would be swallowed up by the Russians, which is clearly not going to happen.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:32 pm to Leopold
Putin/Russia has zero influence on either China or the USA. It has show to be at best a regional power. Definitely barely an economic power.
Here is a great assessment of how Europe is not even an entity politically. Quite frankly as a whole it is a basket case, including Ukraine.
Here is a great assessment of how Europe is not even an entity politically. Quite frankly as a whole it is a basket case, including Ukraine.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:17 pm to CitizenK
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Putin/Russia has zero influence on either China or the USA.
No, Putin has immense influence over Trump and thus America.
Don't believe me? Here's the WSJ article showing how Putin got Trump to appoint Steve Frickin' Witkoff as the envoy to help negotiate a 'peace settlement' for Ukraine:
WSJ: How Putin Got His Prefferred US Envoy for Ukraine
I could not imagine a more pro-Russian gesture and act of subservience than to appoint this man to this position, and there is plenty more where that came from.
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Posted on 5/13/26 at 3:38 am to CitizenK
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Putin/Russia has zero influence on either China or the USA.
Your denial is reaching fantasy levels.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 3:42 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 5/13/26 at 3:47 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 5/13/26 at 3:49 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 5/13/26 at 4:03 am to Coeur du Tigre
Now that the NATO members have made the TACO adjustment and are moving forward without the US, they have been going from strength to strength. EU money and research added to Ukrainian experience and technology is the equation to not only win this war but to be strongly positioned for future conflicts.
It was a big adjustment from their defense procurement sleepwalking days of the last 40 years, but they have made it.
In spades. Lots of spades.
It was a big adjustment from their defense procurement sleepwalking days of the last 40 years, but they have made it.
In spades. Lots of spades.
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And the benefits of this alliance are clearly evident -
Ukrainian drone pilots turn a military exercise in Sweden into a critical warning for NATO
And here's the part where we know the current US administration is not involved:
Ukrainian drone pilots turn a military exercise in Sweden into a critical warning for NATO
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GOTLAND, Sweden (AP) — The war game scenario was this: One of NATO ’s newest members, Sweden, was under threat by an unnamed country that was building up troops along the military alliance’s eastern border. And in an unusual twist, non-NATO member Ukraine was there to advise on drone warfare — and delivered a critical warning to the alliance.
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The war game scenario — with the Swedish island of Gotland in theory facing power outages and food shortages because of sabotage — tested what NATO members might do before NATO’s collective defense clause, Article 5, has been invoked.
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A group of Ukrainian drone pilots, invited to teach Western forces how to win at drone warfare, destroyed Sweden’s troops in an exercise where the Ukrainians played the role of the aggressor, a 24-year-old drone pilot told the AP.
“They stopped the training three times” for troops to work out what to do better, but if it were real life they would have been dead, he said, giving his call sign Tarik in line with Ukrainian military regulations.
And here's the part where we know the current US administration is not involved:
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All Western forces need to “learn rapidly” how to perform drone and counter-drone operations, and the “fastest” way is to listen to the Ukrainians, Claesson said.
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