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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:08 am to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:08 am to
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They don’t have the capability.


Back your statements up

Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:13 am to
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Changing tactics now is not a good idea


Yeah, they committed to a strategy and there is still meat on the bone.

But also what is the cost to hit a substation that will likely be repaired fairly quickly in Moscow?

Russia is much closer to Kyiv than Ukraine is to Moscow in terms of striking distance. Russia has hit some substations near Kyiv 8 times supposedly. So they keep getting repaired despite strikes on them..

So Ukraine is looking at using a higher dollar implement than Russia has to use to hit something they might have to hit over and over.

Side note: since the Russian double tap attacks on first responders have been well documented, why are they not doing those at substations they hit? There are a lot more first responders than there are people with the knowledge and ability to fix power systems. But that would require Russians to use logic and we know how that goes.

Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:33 am to
In WWII both Germany and the allies tied mass bombing of cities to demoralize the people of their enemies. It didn’t work.

I could be wrong, but the current strategy that Ukraine is using appears to be working.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:34 am to
Four Greek tankers hit... It just keeps getting better and better.

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Hit on the way to load oil at the Caspian Pipeline Consortium terminal near Novorossiysk:

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This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 9:41 am
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:47 am to
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In WWII both Germany and the allies tied mass bombing of cities to demoralize the people of their enemies. It didn’t work.



I think cutting power and keeping it off is a much bigger deal today than it was in the 30's and 40's.

You're cutting off heat, the ability to communicate, the ability to work for some people, obviously the lights, entertainment.

So the targeting of the substations is probably a smart move for both sides (though pretty sure it's technically a war crime in the winter). I'm not sure how the international community would react to actual mass bombing of cities on the scale it happened in WW2 though. You'd have videos of it going viral as it was happening.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:56 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 10:01 am to
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The Russuan base in Makiyivka, near Donetsk, has just been attacked. Following the strikes, the ammunition began to detonate.




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Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:13 pm to
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So an alliance that kept the peace in Europe where wars had raged for decades helped the US more than these other nations who were destroying each other?

NATO also kept the Communists on their side of the iron curtain and eventually enabled Eastern Europe to regain their independence.

I think NATO was a good symbiotic relationship for all its members.


Good and symbiotic... sure.

The entire point was to keep the Communists on their side of the Iron Curtain... all of those European countries were barriers. This was all devised during the battle of Stalingrad, when we concluded that the Japanese were not the only collectivist death cult we had to deal with... and at that point, the concern was Millions and Millions and Millions of those Communists sweeping Westward, helped by the active Communist political movements in Western European countries, and sitting all along the Atlantic Coast of Europe and Scandinavia... in a position to endanger the U.S. through conventional means and naval power. We buttressed all those countries in place and built up our nuclear arsenal. That was a big benefit to us. And before ICBMs that logic was solid.

European countries got bailed out, rebuilt, got militaries and a system that let them trade with each other instead of fighting over things... and we helped them embark on robust social programs to take away the appeal of Communism in democratic elections, since we were doing the heavy lifting on the military end.

But who grew immensely... who was the biggest economy in the world and then shot into the stratosphere? Whose standard of living shot way beyond those of European countries (with very few exceptions, on average, that only emerged later), which admittedly... most had been reduced to various amounts of rubble?

We saved, protected, and rebuilt them... no disagreement at all.

But we set it all up to give us some benefit, too. We sat at the top of the world.

We also rebuilt West Germany and Japan, who arguably zoomed past any of our WWII allies very quickly. Noam Chomsky insists that the real reason we waded into Vietnam after the French got smart enough to pull out (and warn us it was a lost cause that we shouldn't bother with...) was "so we wouldn't have to have a war with Japan, again. It was to show them we could still project power in that region." Which I don't buy, because... Japan, like Germany, discovered that manufacturing ingenuity and innovation were an easier route to prosperity. Japan didn't have aggressive military impulses... the world was dying to give them money for things they produced, and that allowed them to trade for resources they needed instead of invading places that had them.
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:31 pm to
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Yep the guy who shows not even an ounce of desire to end a war that is becoming increasingly unpopular in his country is scared of his populace. Think you nailed it.


Apparently he IS, though...

remember, a formative experience for him was being a KGB officer in East Germany in the office when the Wall came down, and he was looking out the window at a huge crowd celebrating, and calling Moscow and... nobody would answer, and the crowd started heading towards all of the Soviet government buildings, smashing windows... and he had to run off.

Plus, any dictator is paranoid... they project their own ruthlessness onto everyone else...

And Putin has thought that NATO was behind every 'color revolution' anywhere in the world since he took office, and is paranoid that they've been creating them inside Russia.

As a matter of fact, this thread exists because he reacted to the Maidan Revolution as an American machination (something you might have heard alleged here only like every damned day by some posters)... and that just made him more insistent that Ukraine had to be controlled by Russia because that was too close for comfort.

Reuters: Putin says Russia must prevent 'color revolution'


Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 2:49 pm to
I just don't really buy that he would do something that makes it more likely be is overthrown because he was scared of being overthrown

At the very least I don't think what has happened in Iran has changed whatever his view on it is.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 3:04 pm to
It seems the Alant Aero Plant in Taganrog reported hit by Ukrainian drones earlier was in fact a drone manufacturing factory. Also made drone components for different models.




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Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:14 pm to
ISW stalemate

Things slowing down. ISW reporting no movement. Apparently winter and the lack of soldiers is having its affects.

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Key Takeaways
The Russian people are increasingly feeling the effects of the Kremlin’s continued prioritization of the Russian defense industrial base (DIB).
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) stated that the Russian Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) launched on the night of January 8 to 9 struck a Ukrainian defense industrial enterprise in Lviv City, which is consistent with the available visual evidence. Dozens of shadow fleet tankers off the coast of Venezuela have reportedly switched to using Russian flags in recent months.
Ukraine’s Western partners continue to provide weapons and military equipment to Ukraine.
Neither Russian nor Ukrainian forces advanced on January 12.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 6:16 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:35 pm to
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I think Ukraine needs to continue on with what they are currently doing.

They are hurting the Russian economy which in turn impacts the military.

Changing tactics now is not a good idea.


Yes, their plan is very sound on having maximum impact on the Russian economy (a gas station with nukes).
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
26471 posts
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:40 pm to
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I think cutting power and keeping it off is a much bigger deal today than it was in the 30's and 40's.


One place were electric power could make a big difference is those generators that provide power to Russia's extensive electric powered trains, especially those severing the front.
Posted by Leopold
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Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 1/13/26 at 8:19 pm to
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Well, the U.S. by far was the biggest beneficiary of NATO


Were we?

I'd argue being an alley of the US was far better than being a stooge of the Soviet Union. We can debate that, but even having American military bases brought in Billions of dollars for the host country and - after the fall of the Soviet Union - freed them up to have no military of consequence, essentially financing the 'free medical care' they have hung over our head for a generation. It cost us a lot, but the Europeans relatively little while they were able to avoid being the victims of another fascist state. Being a puppet of the USSR meant being looted among other things; just look to Sarah Paine for that.

There WAS a difference, and it's why we won, boys. The Europeans may not like it, but we took most of the loses in wars and our military not only protected them but financed their current way of life; it's why the current administration has repeated talked about getting 'screwed' by the NATO deal.

So I disagree with you on that, Lee.

This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 8:26 pm
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 8:21 pm to
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It's also been a pretty consistent criticism of ISW that they are slow to give Russia control over anything on their maps. I don't know if that's an accurate critique or not.


The ISW could be two months late with reporting those minimal gains (and sometimes losses). It wouldn't matter.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 8:23 pm to
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The famous rape culture of India has been exported...


Hey! It's the Great Replacement Theory that Tucker Carlson was talking about!!!
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 8:29 pm to
US spent money for all of those bases and personnel spent money locally. Nations didn't have to keep their militaries strong with the spending to support strength. Instead, they blew it on free giveaway programs.

Additionally, businesses from member NATO nations received special status to invest in the USA to bolster their GDP to afford military spending. this is administered by the party leader in power in the Senate.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:08 pm to
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US spent money for all of those bases and personnel spent money locally. Nations didn't have to keep their militaries strong with the spending to support strength. Instead, they blew it on free giveaway programs.

Additionally, businesses from member NATO nations received special status to invest in the USA to bolster their GDP to afford military spending. this is administered by the party leader in power in the Senate.


I mean....

This sounds like your supporting my argument.....
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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15682 posts
Posted on 1/13/26 at 9:13 pm to
Of course I am.
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