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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:19 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:19 am to
Off the top of my head there are a few possible reasons:

-He doesn't actually want to end it, he just wants to be given something. That could be Greenland itself or for Europe to be more diligent about defending it themselves. Might it have anything to do with Greenland. With him you never really know.

-He wants to end it because of the feuds he has with European leaders (and I do think he would do something like this potentially)

-He wants more defense commitments from Europe (so far Russia has been more effective at this than he has)

-He actually does see it as a "deal" that will never be advantageous to the United States and just wants out for that reason.

Of course it could be a combination of a few of those, or something else entirely. I don't personally have an extremely strong opinion on if he actually wants out or not because what he wants and what he thinks about things outside of domestic economics and the border have little consistency from week to week.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:24 am to
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Nobody is taking over Greenland or Canada. I really like how America isn’t helping Ukraine much though. America First


No one except our president.

And I’m not against aiding Greenland or Canada if and when they need help.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:33 am to
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No one except our president.

And I’m not against aiding Greenland or Canada if and when they need help.


Tough talk? Action plans? A platoon and a ship could have done it already.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:41 am to
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I did a bit of research on how many troops, reserves and police Ukraine had so I didn't think that it was going to be a Russian cake walk.


I thought Russian air power would dominate.


Early on they kind of did, but Ukraine's air defenses, Stingers and Soviet era aircraft made it too risky. Then too a bunch of the former Soviet Eastern Europe countries gave Ukraine their Soviet era aircraft some of which had been upgraded.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:43 am to
AF just like its avatar is a French news site.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 9:51 am to
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Pituffik Space Base, formerly known as Thule Air Base, is a United States Space Force base located in northwestern Greenland. It plays a crucial role in missile defense and satellite communication, operating under a defense agreement between the U.S. and Denmark.


Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:10 pm to
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“Since Congress would not allow Trump to exit NATO, occupying Greenland could force the Europeans to abandon NATO. If Trump wants to end NATO, this might be the most convenient way to do it.”

UNILAD: Trump 'orders top generals to draw up Greenland invasion plan' days after warning the US will act 'whether they like it or not'


It's hilarious when people with the view that Trump is just a big dumb idiot also put out that he might be doing Machiavellian-esque schemes like this


Huh? What's 'Machiavellian' about this???

It's just STUPID. NATO is the single most powerful and successful military alliance possibly in human history and we have benefited from it greatly. We can debate it's ranking but this alliance works and picking a fight with Europe is DUMB. There's nothing - absolutely nothing - intelligent or visionary about it, it's just the ravings of a greedy, stupid, limited-time-left-on-earth Boomer who cares nothing for his country or the world and his dumb as hell cabinet.

Jesus F'n Christ
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:19 pm to
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I did a bit of research on how many troops, reserves and police Ukraine had so I didn't think that it was going to be a Russian cake walk.


I thought Russian air power would dominate.


Early on they kind of did, but Ukraine's air defenses, Stingers and Soviet era aircraft made it too risky. Then too a bunch of the former Soviet Eastern Europe countries gave Ukraine their Soviet era aircraft some of which had been upgraded.


Everyone thought the Russians would dominate. Hell, there are dumbasses out there today still waiting for the Russians to dominate, as if they've been holding back all this time.

There's no deep reason as to why the Russians have F'd it up. The reason that Russia is losing is because it's Russia.

Russia got it's arse handed to it in the 19th century in multiple wars. It got it's arse handed to it in the 20th century in mulitple wars, with the US and her allies bailing her out in WWII and then whipping them in the cold war.

Now they are getting their asses handed to them in the 21st century. The 'sick man of Europe' is still sick and almost on his deathbed. And do you want to know the person most responsible for the Russian struggles? Here, let me show you:



This is Vladimir Putin, the 'president' of Russia. He's the one who put almost nobody but 'yes men' cronies in positions of power who did nothing with their country but loot it and together they thought, and still think, they can just lie their way out of trouble.

Vladimir Putin put in as his defense minister this man:



This is Sergei Shoigu, possibly the single most corrupt man and defense minister in the world. He's done such a horrible job that the Ukrainians continue to send him giftbaskets over the holidays as a 'thank you' for F'n up the Russian war effort. (Talk about a troll!)

People think that the Russians are losing because the Ukrainians are bad asses, and, well, they are, but make no mistake, the Russians are losing because they suck.

They sucked in the 19th century.
They sucked in the 20th century.
They suck in the 21st century, and
they may not even exist in the 22nd century.

Good riddance, you assholes.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134871 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:22 pm to
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Poor ole JB.

He came out of the gate with his new alter guns blazing. 91 posts in his first 30 hours.

Then: Poof!

Nothing in the past 30 hours.
His avatar is gone.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:24 pm to
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Poor ole JB.

He came out of the gate with his new alter guns blazing. 91 posts in his first 30 hours.

Then: Poof!

Nothing in the past 30 hours.
His avatar is gone.


Ya'll should have taken the bet I offered you!!

Suckers!!!
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:30 pm to
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There's nothing - absolutely nothing - intelligent or visionary about it


Machiavellianism has little if anything to do with intelligence or vision, it's about cunning. Putting troops in Greenland if you have no actual interest in Greenland beyond using it as a vehicle to break up NATO IS cunning even if its stupid.

People with Machiavellian traits are self interested, manipulative, deceitful, willing to use others, obsessed with control status and "winning", and have low empathy and high entitlement.

Zero in there about intelligence. It's a personality thing.

JESUS

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134871 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:36 pm to
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The reason that Russia is losing is because it's Russia.

Reminds me of my first day after work in Moscow when I got back to my apartment building there was a sign on the elevator (they call it a "lift") that said, in Russian, of course, "Lift is not working."

Since my apartment was on the top floor (13th floor) before I started my trek up 13 flights of stairs carrying my briefcase and laptop computerI thought I'd try to find out when the elevator would be repaired.

So I walked down one flight of stairs to the basement in hopes the building maintenance guy would be there and I could ask him.

Sure enough he was sitting on a chair in his "office" reading the Russian edition of Playboy magazine and had one of those Russian cigarettes filled with Turkish tobacco dangling in his lips which made his small enclosure smell like oily rags burning.

So, in my best Russian I asked him, "Why is the lift not working?'

He didn't even look up from his magazine nor remove the cig from his lips when he replied, "Because this is Russia."

That's when I knew that I now had 14 flights of stairs to climb to get to my apartment...

Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:42 pm to
No F'n shite. D'ja Google all that?

But you clearly offered this political maneuvering as some sort of smart play, or long-term plan, or anything other than just plain stupidity.

And while picking a fight with NATO is 'deceitful,' and 'self-interested' it absolutely show's him to be EXACTLY the big, dumb, idiot people take him to be, no matter what he gets out of it.

DAMN BOOMERS
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 8:47 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 12:59 pm to
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But you clearly offered this political maneuvering as some sort of smart play, or long-term plan, or anything other than just plain stupidity.


No I didn't. I said I think it's funny that people will say he's dumb in one breath and then say he is scheming up some BS in the next.

Trump is like a dog chasing cars. He isn't subtle. He isn't playing 4D chess.

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And while picking a fight with NATO isn't 'deceitful,' and 'self-interested'


Occupying Greenland so he can get kicked out of NATO instead of going through the legal process of withdrawing from it certainly is both of those things. I don't think that's what he is doing for the record, because it seems some of us are incapable of basic inference.

quote:

No F'n shite. D'ja Google all that?



Maybe you should have before you posted
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41306 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 1:17 pm to
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And while picking a fight with NATO isn't 'deceitful,' and 'self-interested' it absolutely show's him to be EXACTLY the big, dumb, idiot people take him to be, no matter what he gets out of it.


I’m thankful for President Trump exposing how worthless NATO is.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 1:19 pm to
Dang AF wasn't around for the revelation that the Oreshnik guidance system is early 1960's technology. Slavic special ed grade technology is a not hypersonic missile. A fkn Jart, if thrown that high, should hit hypersonic speeds near termination.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 1:21 pm to
I am increasingly frustrated with the lack of action by his admin on some things domestically, though I am glad I voted for him as we sit today. Foreign policy wise he will give you whiplash on certain issues but I don't think a Harris admin would have given us Venezuela or possibly Iran being toppled. Though both could end up being bad long term, as is the case any time a country changes leadership in that way.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 3:38 pm to
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quote:
Poor ole JB.

He came out of the gate with his new alter guns blazing. 91 posts in his first 30 hours.

Then: Poof!

Nothing in the past 30 hours.

His avatar is gone.


True to form, he was prolifically trolling everyone on the broader Poli Board just as before, I saw that a couple of times and knew he'd be gone fast, because they reacted much more angrily than anybody here.
This post was edited on 1/12/26 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 3:56 pm to
France has a had a streak of NATO-skepticism from the beginning,,, de Gaulle thought the alliance was just a tool to keep European nations weak and subservient to the U.S. (he wasn't wrong)...

The French Right has always wanted to withdraw from NATO as part of their France First campaign... but they've never had the power...

and now...

Europe Diplomatic: France: abandoning NATO again?

Clémence Guetté (La France Insoumise (LFI) group) submitted a proposal for France to withdraw from NATO, citing U.S. actions during Trump’s presidency, which disregarded the legitimate insterests of the other nations.

I doubt it goes anywhere...

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 1/12/26 at 6:02 pm to
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just a tool to keep European nations weak and subservient to the U.S. (he wasn't wrong


Perspective can shape reality at times. A large number of US citizens feel NATO gives the US the shaft, and then you have factions like the one you discussed probably in all NATO countries who feel we are giving them the shaft. None of them are technically incorrect about that basic premise in some sense.
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