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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:44 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:44 pm to
Actually, Ukraine would take out all of the air defense batteries around Putin's residence first. It's not like they cannot do it.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:46 pm to
Well, we know the illness is not caused by a guilty conscience. Replacing him will be a major headache for Putin and a source of fratricidal war within the FSB.

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Ramzan Kadyrov was urgently hospitalized on December 25 and hasn’t appeared publicly since, according to Novaya Gazeta Europe. He was reportedly brought to Moscow on the 24th, but his condition deteriorated overnight and required emergency care. Sources say he was “barely revived” and later returned home. Kadyrov’s health has been in question since reports of pancreatic necrosis in 2024.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:53 pm to
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That's why it's so blatant though. It's like they aren't even trying if they can't even throw out some drone parts somewhere and take a picture of it


I know, it’s really comical.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 1:54 pm to
Interesting. Not every intelligence agency in the West, but the New York Post.

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Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:09 pm to
Yes, as usual, Ukraine has agreed to essentially everything that Trump proposed---which was originally written in Russian. Now, Russia is going to refuse to agree to anything that they proposed. Then, Trump will threaten some devastating sanctions, and Putin will call Trump at the last minute to prevent them and propose some more talks, and the cycle will go for another spin.

What's funny is that we had so many posters in here like SirWinston absolutely insisting that Trump would indeed end the war and bring peace within 24 hours of taking office.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:16 pm to
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That's why it's so blatant though. It's like they aren't even trying if they can't even throw out some drone parts somewhere and take a picture of it


I know, it’s really comical.


Because they know they don't have to.

A reporter asked Trump about it and he told the reporter that Putin himself had said that it happened, so that's all that matters.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Yes, as usual, Ukraine has agreed to essentially everything that Trump proposed---which was originally written in Russian. Now, Russia is going to refuse to agree to anything that they proposed. Then, Trump will threaten some devastating sanctions, and Putin will call Trump at the last minute to prevent them and propose some more talks, and the cycle will go for another spin.


Trump can't get off the train because he doesn't understand what the non-negotiables for either side are. He thinks his negotiating prowess and unpredictability is enough to get what he wants out of either side. He would probably be right if we were dealing with western European countries who I think are actually afraid of him in a sense, but Ukraine and Russia operate very differently. Sitting him with a Russian and Ukranian historian for about 4 hours and making him listen would do wonders.
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Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:25 pm to
If they could do it they should have and probably would have already.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:27 pm to
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Seeing this in a few places. Not sure how reliable.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 2:31 pm to
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Trump can't get off the train because he doesn't understand what the non-negotiables for either side are. He thinks his negotiating process and unpredictability is enough to get what he wants out of either side. He would probably be right if we were dealing with western European countries who I think are actually afraid of him in a sense, but Ukraine and Russia operate very differently.


Okay, this is correct. The problem is that Russia's non-negotiable is all of the Ukraine, and Ukraine's non-negotiable is not that. So there is no president or anybody on earth at this point who can get through to Putin.

And I doubt seriously that Trump would listen to anybody teach him something for 4 straight jhours, no matter how useful.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41883 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:22 pm to
Day one Trump messed up.

If he was serious about it, he should have asked Putin what he do to give him an out.

He should have then done what he promised, made it way tougher on Russia through economic means and aid to Ukraine.

Russia would know Trump meant business but instead Trump saddled up to Putin and failed to use any kind of leverage on Russia.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20775 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:31 pm to
The CIA helped Ukraine better target Russian refineries:

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A C.I.A. expert had identified a type of coupler that was so hard to replace or repair that a refinery would remain offline for weeks.


LINK

I'm sure that tidbit will be of interest to a few readers of this thread.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20775 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:35 pm to
This is my shocked face.

From the WSJ:

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:48 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
14010 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:04 pm to
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I know, it’s really comical.


Old snow on what would have been a hot engine.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
14010 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:04 pm to
Couplings are run of the mill and used for pumps and compressors. Nothing fancy about them to be special. They are called couplings, not couplers. The author obviously has no technical knowledge to understand what was stated.

There are volumes, now digital, open source records of which plants make what. After being reported from plant video to the FBI, they called me to ask why I was taking photos outside the plant. I explained that the photos were of the vacant land then for sale next to a hydrogen reformer at the Air Products and Chemicals site in New Orleans East. A client was looking to put up a demonstration plant for new technology and needed a source of hydrogen. The shocker to me was the FBI agent didn't know that blowing up the hydrogen reformer could make the entire area go boom. He had zero idea. I told him where they could get that info.

SRI, Menlo Park, CA, used to publish the Directory of Chemical Producers then sold it to a London based journal publishing company about 20 year ago.The first two were on just the US and Canada, then subsequently directories were published for China, then other regions, like Europe.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25242 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:32 pm to
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Valdai Residents Report No Signs of Claimed Ukrainian Drone Attack on Putin Residence


91 drones being shot down across a lake would make one big fireworks show. Someone would have noticed such a thing.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20775 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 9:29 pm to
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
1926 posts
Posted on 12/31/25 at 9:31 pm to
Shocking. Absoluitley shocking.

But what is really interesting is that there seems to be a split between the administration and the military/intelligence networks saying different things.

Just like with the Kremlin, the Trump administration and its underlying agencies seem to be at odds with each other. The head guy says one thing and the supporting departments contradict them elsewhere.

Trump and some of his underlings have stated that they aren't sure if the attacks happened or not. But we have agencies saying it didn't happen.

These two look more and more alike as the months go by......

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