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Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:42 pm to VolSquatch
I'm confused. When did Ukraine say that they could have elections, during this war, without a ceasefire?
Posted on 12/27/25 at 1:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
A week or two ago? Cypher posted about it yesterday. They wanted security for the elections but nothing about any ceasefire.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 1:42 pm to VolSquatch
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A week or two ago? Cypher posted about it yesterday. They wanted security for the elections but nothing about any ceasefire.
lol
Ceasefire=security
Now Russia won’t agree, but they aren’t going to agree to anything short of an Ukraine capitulation. It’s a game.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 1:48 pm to doubleb
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Ceasefire=security
It's a form of security, yes.
It's not what they specifically requested. A ceasefire would need Russia to agree, they only asked the US for security.
Glad you could catch up.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:01 pm to VolSquatch
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It's a form of security, yes.
Exactly
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I'm confused. When did Ukraine say that they could have elections, during this war, without a ceasefire?
It's not a realistic option. Legally it's a challenge due to the country being under martial law but it's also unnecessary, so it's most likely Z calling Trump and Putin's bluff and throwing the ball back into their court. It's the Ukrainians playing the game the way the Russians play it.
Micheal Weiss, the reporter who was invited into Hegseth's and Vance's text conversation a few months ago wrote about it better than I ever could:
"Zelensky has turned the painful question of territorial concessions into a joint challenge for Trump and Putin, and he has deferred responsibility for whatever happens to the Ukrainian people, the better to keep his legacy from being tarnished by a forfeiture of national sovereignty.
Trump would have to guarantee the security of holding a national referendum (and it's unclear whether Ukrainians in the occupied territories would get a vote, or how they might vote under foreign coercion). Putin would have to accept a 60 day ceasefire, twice as long as the one on offer by the US and Ukraine in May, which Putin rejected....75% of Ukrainians rejected this proposal as of Dec. 15, according to the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, and so to change their minds, the US would have to really incentivize them. In short, Zelensky is calling America and Russia's bluff. And doing it with a handshake and a smile and invitation to Trump to come to Kiev. "
MIcheal Weiss's Twitter Account
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:21 pm to Leopold
Russian sources claim Russia has captured Hulyaipole (pre-war pop. 12,000) in eastern Zapo. 
However, perhaps more interesting is the claimed advance to the north across the T-0401 highway and Haichur river.
As you can clearly see from these maps, Ukraine’s prepared defenses are oriented towards the south. While the claimed Russian advance is coming from the east. Could be cause for concern although I have seen sources on twitter claiming a Ukrainian counterattack is underway. Could be significant.
However, perhaps more interesting is the claimed advance to the north across the T-0401 highway and Haichur river.
As you can clearly see from these maps, Ukraine’s prepared defenses are oriented towards the south. While the claimed Russian advance is coming from the east. Could be cause for concern although I have seen sources on twitter claiming a Ukrainian counterattack is underway. Could be significant.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:29 pm to Leopold
Saw that tweet, terrible boomer-porn writing 
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:32 pm to T1gerNate
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Could be cause for concern although I have seen sources on twitter claiming a Ukrainian counterattack is underway. Could be significant
If these Ukranian counterattacks become a trend instead of what I think they are (essentially puffing chests in anticipation of the Trump meeting, as we've seen happen numerous times before already) that to me is a signal that we are at the beginning of the end for Ukraine. They aren't going to be ground into dust and stay on the back foot the entire time doing it.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:42 pm to VolSquatch
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Saw that tweet, terrible boomer-porn writing
Perhaps, but he's right. It's a brilliant piece of politics that puts all the emphasis back on Trump and Putin's side of the fence.
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If these Ukranian counterattacks become a trend instead of what I think they are (essentially puffing chests in anticipation of the Trump meeting, as we've seen happen numerous times before already) that to me is a signal that we are at the beginning of the end for Ukraine. They aren't going to be ground into dust and stay on the back foot the entire time doing it.
What do you mean 'become a trend'? The Ukrainians have been doing it the entirety of the war, going back at least to the time they pushed the Russians out of the airport and then counter attacked in 2022 and took Kharkiv, a huge Russian logistical hub and something the Russians haven't taken back since.
And yet here they are, still fighting and killling Russians every day....
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:17 pm to Leopold
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The Ukrainians have been doing it the entirety of the war, going back at least to the time they pushed the Russians out of the airport and then counter attacked in 2022 and took Kharkiv, a huge Russian logistical hub and something the Russians haven't taken back since.
If you can't find any differences between what was going on in the early months of the war, the failed counteroffensive, and then the past couple of years up until fairly recently, I can't really help you.
Ukraine has really ramped up the counteroffensives in recent days and weeks.
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And yet here they are, still fighting and killling Russians every day....
So stunning and brave.
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:22 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:40 pm to VolSquatch
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If you can't find any differences between what was going on in the early months of the war, the failed counteroffensive, and then the past couple of years up until fairly recently, I can't really help you.
I know exactly the differences between the 2022 and 2023 counteroffensives by the Ukrainians, you fool, and those being run today, and that doesn't change the fact that the Ukrainians aren't running out of people anytime soon.
Jesus this is why nobody listens to you.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:57 pm to VolSquatch
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If these Ukranian counterattacks become a trend
They beat Russia back in 2022 from the furthest extent they've had. Russia over extending itself them being encircle and beaten is NOT new.
It's the Finnish Winter War tactic, allow Russia to overextend and then separate the lead element into a "moti" then chop it up.
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 4:12 pm to VolSquatch
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The commanders of Ukraine's 54th Separate Mechanized Brigade, Colonel Oleksii Konoval, and 10th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade, Colonel Volodymyr Potieshkin, have been removed from their posts after the rapid loss of the city of Siversk in northern Donetsk Oblast. The 54th
The rapid loss of Siversk?????
Someone is exaggerating. Russia had been after Siversk since July of 2022.
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 5:23 pm to Leopold
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Jesus this is why nobody listens to you.
Oh, I thought you couldn't listen before you were either illiterate or had anger issues and couldn't make it through a post you disagreed with without raging like a spoiled toddler.
Also, you changed your argument
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 5:28 pm to doubleb
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The rapid loss of Siversk?????
Someone is exaggerating.
It was from 3 Ukrainska Pravda sources
Posted on 12/27/25 at 5:29 pm to CitizenK
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They beat Russia back in 2022 from the furthest extent they've had. Russia over extending itself them being encircle and beaten is NOT new.
Didn't claim it was new
But these counteroffensives are different in scale and volume from even a month ago, much less 2022.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 5:50 pm to VolSquatch
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Oh, I thought you couldn't listen before you were either illiterate or had anger issues and couldn't make it through a post you disagreed with without raging like a spoiled toddler.
Also, you changed your argument
Kids, pay attention. This is what we call 'mirroring.'
I have to remind myself that I bring this on myself for having debates with people who know literally nothing about the subject.
Jesus, give me strength.
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