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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 4:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 12/26/25 at 4:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Except, of course, that any official territorial concessions would legally require a vote of the Ukrainian people, so Putin will have to agree to a 60-day ceasefire so that the vote can be held. Zelensky will be publicly inviting Trump to Ukraine to make the case to the Ukrainian people as to why they should vote for the plan and put their trust in the US to back it up.
In sum, Zelensky is going to put the ball right back in Putin's court. Will Putin agree to a 60-day ceasefire? Will he accept the kind of NATO presence in Ukraine that would be necessary for Ukrainian security guarantees? Doubtful.
They told us a while back they could do elections during wartime, but they expect the Russians to buy that they need a ceasefire to do this?
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 5:24 pm to VolSquatch
Laws have to be passed first to allow this and the ceasefire so frontline military can vote.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 6:24 pm to CitizenK
Then how were they going to have an election without a ceasefire? Military wouldn't get to vote?
Posted on 12/26/25 at 6:29 pm to VolSquatch
quote:Their constitution prohibits holding elections during a war.
They told us a while back they could do elections during wartime,
Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:25 pm to LSURussian
Ukraine's parliament begins work on law for elections under martial law
December 26, 2025, 01:03 PM
Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada has started work on a bill to define the procedure for holding elections during war, as announced at an online meeting of the working group on Dec. 26.
The first meeting of the special working group, chaired by parliament's first deputy speaker Oleksandr Korniyenko, has now taken place.
Officials said the legislature has begun preparing a bill on holding elections under martial law.
The working group includes 62 members: lawmakers, representatives of the Central Election Commission, soldiers and judges.
Meetings are planned every two weeks, with the next tentatively scheduled for early January.
Elections in Ukraine during war
On Dec. 18, Zelenskyy said he is ready for presidential elections in response to a U.S. request. At the same time, the issue of parliamentary and local elections has not yet been raised.
On Dec. 22, Servant of the People faction leader David Arakhamia said the Verkhovna Rada is forming a working group to "quickly process the issue" of possible presidential elections under martial law.
Ukraine's parliament speaker Ruslan Stefanchuk approved creating the working group on Dec. 23, to be led by first deputy speaker Oleksandr Korniyenko. Arakhamia later said the Central Election Commission resumed work on the State Voter Register, which may indicate gradual preparations for elections.
On Dec. 23, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Ukraine could hold a referendum on the 20-point peace agreement simultaneously with elections. He stated that the agreement could also be submitted to parliament, with security guarantees taking effect only after ratification or public approval.
NV
December 26, 2025, 01:03 PM
Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada has started work on a bill to define the procedure for holding elections during war, as announced at an online meeting of the working group on Dec. 26.
The first meeting of the special working group, chaired by parliament's first deputy speaker Oleksandr Korniyenko, has now taken place.
Officials said the legislature has begun preparing a bill on holding elections under martial law.
The working group includes 62 members: lawmakers, representatives of the Central Election Commission, soldiers and judges.
Meetings are planned every two weeks, with the next tentatively scheduled for early January.
Elections in Ukraine during war
On Dec. 18, Zelenskyy said he is ready for presidential elections in response to a U.S. request. At the same time, the issue of parliamentary and local elections has not yet been raised.
On Dec. 22, Servant of the People faction leader David Arakhamia said the Verkhovna Rada is forming a working group to "quickly process the issue" of possible presidential elections under martial law.
Ukraine's parliament speaker Ruslan Stefanchuk approved creating the working group on Dec. 23, to be led by first deputy speaker Oleksandr Korniyenko. Arakhamia later said the Central Election Commission resumed work on the State Voter Register, which may indicate gradual preparations for elections.
On Dec. 23, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Ukraine could hold a referendum on the 20-point peace agreement simultaneously with elections. He stated that the agreement could also be submitted to parliament, with security guarantees taking effect only after ratification or public approval.
NV
Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:30 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The big news is that Zelensky is going to agree to something like the Witkoff plan. He's going to agree to give up the rest of Donetsk in exchange for Zaporizhzhia, etc. The US and NATO are going to bestow something like Article V guarantees for Ukrainian security. And Zelensky is coming to Mar-a-Lago on Saturday to officially sign off on it.
Except, of course, that any official territorial concessions would legally require a vote of the Ukrainian people, so Putin will have to agree to a 60-day ceasefire so that the vote can be held. Zelensky will be publicly inviting Trump to Ukraine to make the case to the Ukrainian people as to why they should vote for the plan and put their trust in the US to back it up.
In sum, Zelensky is going to put the ball right back in Putin's court. Will Putin agree to a 60-day ceasefire? Will he accept the kind of NATO presence in Ukraine that would be necessary for Ukrainian security guarantees? Doubtful.
And then what does President Trump do? We'll see
The story I've heard is that Witkoff finally met with the Ukrainians and the Ukrainians did to him what the Russians did - they poured their own side of the conflict down his throat and sent him back to Trump with a peace plan that they knew the Russians would never accept.
Honestly, Witkoff doesn't seem to be anything more than a monkey with a cup at this point. We're no closer to peace than we were six months ago.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 8:14 pm to Leopold
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Vlad
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 12/26/25 at 8:25 pm to VolSquatch
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Then how were they going to have an election without a ceasefire? Military wouldn't get to vote?
The reason for a 60 day ceasefire to get all of this done first
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:58 am to cypher
Ukrainian air defence downs 503 Russian aerial assets, strikes recorded at 30 locations
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — 27 December, 13:47
Russia carried out a combined strike on critical infrastructure facilities on the night of 26-27 December using attack drones and air-, sea- and ground-launched missiles. Ukrainian air defence forces have downed 503 Russian aerial assets.
Source: Ukraine's Air Force on social media
Details: The main target of the attack was Kyiv Oblast.
The Air Force's air surveillance troops detected and tracked 559 aerial attack assets – 40 missiles and 519 drones of various types. These included:
519 attack drones, including Shahed-type drones and other UAVs launched from the cities of Kursk, Oryol, Millerovo, Shatalovo and Primorsko-Akhtarsk in Russia and from the settlement of Hvardiiske in occupied Crimea; about 300 of them were Shahed-type drones
10 Iskander-M ballistic or Kh-47M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles launched from Ryazan and Bryansk oblasts in Russia
7 Iskander-K or Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Rostov Oblast and from the Black Sea
21 Kh-101 cruise missiles launched from airspace over Vologda Oblast in Russia
2 Kh-22 cruise missiles launched from airspace over the Black Sea
As of 13:00, air defences had shot down or suppressed 503 aerial assets:
474 Shahed-type drones and drones of other types
6 Iskander-M ballistic or Kh-47M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles
4 Iskander-K or Kalibr cruise missiles
19 Kh-101 cruise missiles
The Air Force reported that hits were recorded by 10 missiles and 25 attack drones at 30 locations. Debris from downed targets fell at 16 locations.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — 27 December, 13:47
Russia carried out a combined strike on critical infrastructure facilities on the night of 26-27 December using attack drones and air-, sea- and ground-launched missiles. Ukrainian air defence forces have downed 503 Russian aerial assets.
Source: Ukraine's Air Force on social media
Details: The main target of the attack was Kyiv Oblast.
The Air Force's air surveillance troops detected and tracked 559 aerial attack assets – 40 missiles and 519 drones of various types. These included:
519 attack drones, including Shahed-type drones and other UAVs launched from the cities of Kursk, Oryol, Millerovo, Shatalovo and Primorsko-Akhtarsk in Russia and from the settlement of Hvardiiske in occupied Crimea; about 300 of them were Shahed-type drones
10 Iskander-M ballistic or Kh-47M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles launched from Ryazan and Bryansk oblasts in Russia
7 Iskander-K or Kalibr cruise missiles launched from Rostov Oblast and from the Black Sea
21 Kh-101 cruise missiles launched from airspace over Vologda Oblast in Russia
2 Kh-22 cruise missiles launched from airspace over the Black Sea
As of 13:00, air defences had shot down or suppressed 503 aerial assets:
474 Shahed-type drones and drones of other types
6 Iskander-M ballistic or Kh-47M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles
4 Iskander-K or Kalibr cruise missiles
19 Kh-101 cruise missiles
The Air Force reported that hits were recorded by 10 missiles and 25 attack drones at 30 locations. Debris from downed targets fell at 16 locations.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 12/27/25 at 8:21 am to CitizenK
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The reason for a 60 day ceasefire to get all of this done first
The reason for the 60 day ceasefire is that Ukraine wants to be seen as willing to compromise to keep the US (or more accurately, Trump) on board even though they know Russia will not accept a ceasefire.
It's the whole reason Ukraine decided to launch fairly significant counterattacks yesterday and the reason Russia launched their air attacks last night... Both sides are essentially vying for Trump.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 9:00 am to cypher
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:02 am to VolSquatch
Okay Tucker
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:10 am to cypher
You know Russian backed candidates will get more votes than there are voters.
They will make Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philadelphia look like little leaguers.
They will make Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philadelphia look like little leaguers.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:46 am to CitizenK
Call me Tucker if you want..there is no reason you can do an election without a ceasefire but you need one for this vote. I challenge anyone to make a logical argument for it other than putting a condition out there that you know Russia won't accept.
And if that's what they want to do, more power to them. I don't blame them for looking out for themselves. But I also don't want my tax dollars going to a country playing games like that when that country is also famously corrupt.
And if that's what they want to do, more power to them. I don't blame them for looking out for themselves. But I also don't want my tax dollars going to a country playing games like that when that country is also famously corrupt.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:54 am to VolSquatch
Russia trying to spin peace talks in another direction to offset the talks between the US and Ukraine. All this while Ukraine successfully counterattacks in Kupyansk.
Russian propaganda regarding their progress all along the front is leaking oil.
Putin isn’t doing well ISW
Russian propaganda regarding their progress all along the front is leaking oil.
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Key Takeaways
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov reiterated that the Kremlin will not sign any peace agreements to end the war in Ukraine “right now.”
Ryabkov and other Kremlin officials are trying to exploit the lack of clarity about the outcome of the US-Russian Alaska Summit in August 2025 to claim that the summit achieved a joint US-Russian understanding and agreement to end the war in Ukraine — contrary to US accounts of the summit.
Ryabkov demanded that any peace agreement must completely address the ultimatums that Russia issued to the West in late 2021, demonstrating how Russia is demanding a radical restructuring of the security architecture in all of Europe.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will meet with US President Donald Trump on December 28 to continue talks to finalize the US-Ukrainian-European 20-point peace plan. Ukrainian forces continue to make tactical gains in Kupyansk, and Russian milbloggers are increasingly acknowledging Ukrainian successes. Russian milbloggers continued to blame Russia’s deteriorating situation in Kupyansk on the widespread Russian practice of sending false reports up the chain of command.
The scale of Russian milblogger complaints about Kupyansk, including from milbloggers whom the Kremlin has largely coopted in recent years, demonstrates the scale and egregiousness of the Russian military command’s lies about Kupyansk.
The situation in the Oleksandrivka and Hulyaipole directions continues to show how Russian forces are able to make gains when they concentrate forces on a specific sector, but often at the expense of other areas. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reported that Russian forces are using Belarusian territory to intensify Russian drone strikes against railway infrastructure in western Ukraine.
Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov appears to be trying to replicate the Ukrainian model with the Russian Unmanned Systems Forces (USF).
The Russian military command continues efforts to integrate new drone units into the Russian military.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Kupyansk and Oleksandrivka, and in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area. Russian forces recently advanced in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area, western Zaporizhia Oblast, and near Siversk and Hulyaipole.
Putin isn’t doing well ISW
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:58 am to doubleb
quote:
Russia trying to spin peace talks in another direction to offset the talks between the US and Ukraine.
Yep, Ukraine has had a good week or so leading up to the talks and is making Russia sweat
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:29 am to VolSquatch
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Call me Tucker if you want..there is no reason you can do an election without a ceasefire but you need one for this vote. I challenge anyone to make a logical argument for it other than putting a condition out there that you know Russia won't accept
Really? You can’t see that it’s best to have elections without the threat of drones blowing up the polling places? Or to have foreign invaders preventing citizens from going to the polls? Who is going to campaign with Russians shooting at them?
But it is possible to hold elections during a war. I don’t know how “fair” it would be with 20% of your country occupied and millions of citizens displaced.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:41 am to doubleb
Campaign rallies and Polling sites will make very ripe targets for Russia. They have shown no hesitation to hit civilian targets during this war, why would this be any different?
The first time Zelensky or his opponent holds an announced rally, I expect Russia to target it.
The first time Zelensky or his opponent holds an announced rally, I expect Russia to target it.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:11 pm to doubleb
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Really? You can’t see that it’s best to have elections without the threat of drones blowing up the polling places?
Take that up with Ukraine. THEY thought it was ok to have elections with that threat (as long as they were given some election security guarantees. But now that it's a referendum on giving up land, they supposedly can't do it without a ceasefire.
My issue is with the logical inconsistency of that.
Any concerns with having an election are the same as they would be for a referendum.
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:32 pm to VolSquatch
[quote]Take that up with Ukraine. THEY thought it was ok to have elections with that threat (as long as they were given some election security guarantees[/quote
A ceasefire is part of election security.
You are backtracking now.
There are plenty of reasons to want a ceasefire.
A ceasefire is part of election security.
You are backtracking now.
There are plenty of reasons to want a ceasefire.
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