re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

We need another Eisenhower.

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We need another Eisenhower.

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100%. Eisenhower never put the interests of foreign nations "allies" over the interest of the US. There are many examples of him holding these "allies" accountable and not bending to their interests.

Remember also what Washington and Jefferson warned about foreign wars and entanglements (treaties).

We use to have leaders that truly looked out for the interests of this nation and people.

But then we started getting the LBJ's, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden pos's.

Congress is no better.

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100%. Eisenhower never put the interests of foreign nations "allies" over the interest of the US. There are many examples of him holding these "allies" accountable and not bending to their interests.

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Ehhhh.... you want to be careful with this one. It's Eisenhower who started the US down the path to the Vietnam war, among other things, and I may never forgive him for bringing in Nixon on the ticket, who made it even worse.

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Remember also what Washington and Jefferson warned about foreign wars and entanglements (treaties).

We use to have leaders that truly looked out for the interests of this nation and people.

But then we started getting the LBJ's, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden pos's.

Congress is no better

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Look, I agree with you on all of this, but that doesn't change the fact that what goes on outside of our borders concerns us. The answer isn't to stick our heads in the ground like an ostrich but to actual come up with actual politcy to make it work. Hell, we're being handed a geopolitical win (one that didn't require a fraction of death that have occured) and we're squandering it, which means we are going to be on the hook for even more security in the future. It's exhausting.

The situation appears to be deteriorating rapidly for Ukraine in the fortress city Kostyantynivka.

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Even though NATO has kept the peace for about 60 years?

And over the we of those 60 years the United States has been the super power and the most prosperous nation in history.

NATO help stymie the Commies in Eastern Europe and later bring those eastern countries that were occupied under their umbrella.

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Yep. But...

NATO was part of a big bribe... not really to protect Europe, but to protect the US. Western Europe was always just pawns and human shields stopping the Soviets from getting to the Atlantic Coast of Europe and being in a position to threaten the US. ICBMs kind of made that a bit outdated, then it shifted to denying the Soviets more territory and more resources/industries and warm bodies to absorb. At that point, cutting the nuts off of the Communist political movements that were present and somewhat popular in all of those European countries became more important... and the way we did that was by freeing them up to go full on Social programs (Socialism), so their governments could say "you've got everything you would get under Communism but with freedom and free enterprise, too, which you would not have!" It worked like a charm. We let them undercontribute militarily because we didn't think a hot war was very likely and it was more in our interests to have them prevent the spread of Soviet-friendly Communism politically (people have forgotten that many of The Iron Curtain/Eastern Europe Communist Bloc countries were not militarily turned Communist after WWII, instead they convinced people to vote for it through propaganda).

All of that became outdated in 1990. We didn't navigate refocusing ourselves and imagining the new paradigm very well.

But Europe has gotten the bigger message: in today's world, they are bound together by necessity into a Union of countries, based on the US. Mutual security and economics... otherwise they are too small, weak and vulnerable.

Which is weird that Trump publicly stated he wants to pull the countries he likes (Hungary, Poland, Italy...) away from the EU... weakening them and the collective... making them easier prey, I guess. Britain has come to its senses and wants back in...

Zelensky says "I see your peaceplan and I raise you..."

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Siversk remains under control of Defense Forces – military

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Unfortunately for Ukraine, this isn't true. Russians raised flags in 30 locations around the city. That doesn't mean that Russia has full control of Siversk, but Ukraine most definitely does not have control.

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Look, I agree with you on all of this, but that doesn't change the fact that what goes on outside of our borders concerns us. The answer isn't to stick our heads in the ground like an ostrich but to actual come up with actual politcy to make it work. Hell, we're being handed a geopolitical win (one that didn't require a fraction of death that have occured) and we're squandering it, which means we are going to be on the hook for even more security in the future. It's exhausting.

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The greatest danger that this country currently faces is right here among us.

Unfettered immigration and Radical leftists that hate the constitution and it's founding principles. A welfare state that allowed in millions of illegals with open borders and 80% are on some type of government check. All of this being forced on the American people and I am suppose to be more concerned with what happens in Ukraine or Gaza? 38 trillion in debt and we continue squandering billions on foreign wars while China sits by and just smiles. What about the future of the young people in this country?

Over 400 pages in this thread....and Mother Russia keeps advancing.

Dude from day 1 the business of the US has been business. Europe was the main trading partner for the US. Post WWII Europe was a market for steel, crude oil and refined products along with all sorts of manufactured goods as well as investment opportunity. Since the late 1800's Europe was a major market for US grain. That is when the breadbasket of Europe switched from Ukraine to the Great Plains. Even Ukrainians know this.