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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:16 pm to
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:16 pm to
Oh hush. Ukrainian politicians are all saints!!
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:33 pm to
Once again, Coeur du Tigre, you beat me to it.

I'm for a moratorium on the Russians 'taking' any town until they actually take it, not 'oh my god they're on the doorsteps' BS
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:57 pm to
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And the biggest threat to Putin.


This 'peace plan' was never going to satisfy Putin because it's nowhere near enough.

Putin and his ilk can't justify losing over a million people and trillions of dollars without taking over the whole of the Ukraine. Bringing in a couple of neighborhoods the Russians already had significant influence over along with a couple of hundred billion dollars that is going to go straight to Putin and his oligarchs isn't going to help him with those bills.

This plan, at best, was an attempt to stall for more time and thumb his nose at Trump and Zelensky. At worst it is an attempt to pressure the Ukrainians to give them all that they asked for and then go back and ask for even more. Ukraine, I'm sure, knows all of this and is just playing along while they continue with their own strategy.

I've said this before, I'll say it again - Trump can help Putin, he can't save him.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42608 posts
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:24 pm to
Peace talks yes, but no chance of success. Slow grind still on the front lines.

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Key Takeaways
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio stated that the US-proposed peace plan aims to ensure Ukraine’s independence, sovereignty, and economic development during the US-Ukrainian talks in Hallandale Beach, Florida on November 30.
Russian information space voices continue to argue that the Kremlin will likely reject a ceasefire or any iteration of the US-proposed peace plan because the Kremlin views these efforts as inconsequential and as a hindrance to Russia’s goals in Ukraine and globally.
The Kremlin continues to advance a false narrative that Ukraine’s front line and political stability are on the verge of collapse in an effort to convince the West to capitulate to Russian demands that Russia cannot secure militarily. ISW continues to assess that a Russian battlefield victory is neither imminent nor inevitable and that the Russian war effort has vulnerabilities the West has not exploited. The Russian effort to seize Pokrovsk remains prolonged and costly as Russian forces are optimized for positional warfare and can only achieve a slow rate of advance.
Russian drones appear to be violating Moldovan airspace during large, combined missile and drone strikes.
Ukrainian forces successfully used the Sting interceptor drone to down Russian jet-powered long-range drones for the first time as Ukraine increases technological innovation efforts to combat Russia’s long-range drone and missile campaigns.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast and near Pokrovsk.



ISW update
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 9:28 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15677 posts
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:50 pm to
Which of the two brothers is smart enough to run the Trump organization? It isn't Don Jr.

Is he saying that they are registered in Ukraine and drove there or is he saying they are in support of Ukraine?
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 9:52 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 11/30/25 at 11:33 pm to
Ivanka is the only non-full idiot Trump kid... except possibly Tiffany and Baron, which time will tell...

But this "testimony" is so "I saw someone buying lobster and filet mignon with food stamps" that I can't believe it wasn't posted as a joke.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 12:22 am to
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This plan, at best, was an attempt to stall for more time and thumb his nose at Trump and Zelensky. At worst it is an attempt to pressure the Ukrainians to give them all that they asked for and then go back and ask for even more. Ukraine, I'm sure, knows all of this and is just playing along while they continue with their own strategy.

The difficult point to get my head around is that even after three years it is clear that both the Kremlin and the White House still underestimate the Ukrainians. Maybe the Russians are victims of their own lifelong prejudices against the lesser 'Hohols'. The Trump White House is just isolated from reality.

The 28 Point plan was simply an attempted hold up of vast amounts of Russian resources. Kuschner and his Israeli buddies let their greed overcome their judgement by thinking the Ukrainians could be quickly intimidated into agreeing to this plan. Really? I know, it's hard to believe but there it is.

But don't worry, Kuschner learned a lesson and will be back for another try. The only realistic shot they have is to do what anyone is Russia must do to get anything done there - they will have to pick a side in the FSB and make a substantial spread of cash. Really, really substantial.

Of course, that will get out of hand quickly. That is why by going to one or more FSB tribes, Kuschner will lose the support of many of his Israeli backers and all of his oil companies. The bitcoin billionaires may stick out of ignorance, but only until they see how much this will cost them.

But the significant point to look for if/when this happens is how Putin tries to control this. Will he be isolated? No, not realistically. But to keep ahead of it he will have to make some costly allowances to segments of the FSB. Inclusions that will cost him a lot of money and thus power. Costs that he can't afford right now.

Also, the Chechens in Moscow will have to be dealt with as well. They are the weapon that no one can afford to lose as well as the potential scapegoat for any future wetwork.

Finally, you got to give it to Murdoch, that WSJ expose' last week has really had a huge impact. And I'm talking about within Russia. The entire FSB now knows what's at stake financially. Kuschner will never forgive him but Murdock won't lose any sleep over that.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 12:33 am to
Wow, worse than expected. And those are Russian numbers. Sechin must be livid. But we knew that. At least it's not as bad as Lukoil.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 12:40 am to
With Witkoff and Kushner attending, absolutely nothing will get done. Besides, Witkoff is now a lame duck and Kuschner is as publically toxic as you can get. At this point they're both just trying to play nice as PR damage control. No, it won't work. The people they have to deal with in Congress are realists and all of Kushner's business dealings have now been exposed..


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After the public part of today’s meeting in Miami, the Ukrainian-US delegation headed into closed-door talks.

On the Ukrainian side: NSDC Secretary Rustem Umerov, General Staff head Andrii Hnatov, and GRU representative Vadym Skibitskyi.

On the US side: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, envoy Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner.


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This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 3:42 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15677 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 5:21 am to
Don Jr fell for Kimberly Guilfoyle and Jeff Landry is additional reason to show he is not that bright.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15677 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 5:23 am to
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Wow, worse than expected. And those are Russian numbers. Sechin must be livid. But we knew that. At least it's not as bad as Lukoil.


Internal sales matter and the only reason I can see that there is any profit instead of a net loss
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4332 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 5:40 am to
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 6:51 am to
CitizenKuck the Bush/Cheney neocon and his leftist buddy Lunatic Keith (the Obama/Biden/Harris voter) still deniers of truth/reality.

Sad.


But they are always two of the easiest fish to snag in this little pond.

Guaranteed.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 6:58 am
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13226 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:05 am to
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Do you need someone to click on the links for you?

Seven links...all of which come off of one Wall Street journal article.



Even the X link is from the one article. The other 5 are your "Rantings".

What are you trying to prove here?
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:09 am to
Cope is known for lunatic binge posting. He is the Ukrainian JB. Wait till you see one of his raging, Trump posts! You can never tell if it is Taco or Trump is a paedophile day with him.

They all bitched and whined everyday about Russian JB but they have no problem with Ukrainian JB. Russian JB caused mental breakdowns and going awol for months with some of them.

If Ukrainian JB Cope posts it, it is the gospel to them no matter the source. They lap every bit of it up.

Slava.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 7:29 am
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13226 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:19 am to
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they have no problem with Ukrainian JB

The thread would die without all his filler stuff.

Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:25 am to
I use to could predict within an hour when his binge posts were coming. He had a pattern. It was pure comedy.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2867 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:30 am to
Maybe Ukraine is the European version of Montana for vehicle registration purposes...
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 7:37 am to
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15677 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 8:40 am to
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CitizenKuck the Bush/Cheney neocon and his leftist buddy Lunatic Keith (the Obama/Biden/Harris voter) still deniers of truth/reality.



Says the person who bought from the MOSCOW think tank professor that Pokrovsk had fallen weeks ago.

Dude, you don't know the truth even when it drags its balls across your face.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 8:43 am
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