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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:21 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:21 pm to
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:29 pm to
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it's a little triggering and I'm half jealous half disgusted that these fcks get to get rich this way.


Right?!

That's exactly how I feel about you and Barron.

So let's get things moving and talk about any openings you and your team have at this time.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:41 pm to
NAFO Trolls: "Ukraine will Win War because of Tomahawk"


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Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:53 pm to
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Putin offered to stop the War right now along current lines if Ukraine gives up the remaining 20% of the Donbas
That's not negotiating, dumbass, that's setting conditions, i.e., surrendering, before negotiating.

You seriously can't be that dumb.

"Australia is part of the United Kingdom." Okay, maybe you ARE that dumb...
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:54 pm to
In the last half hour 7 Iskander-K cruise missiles have targeted the city of Poltava.

Energy infrastructure again appears to be the target. Russias campaign has already passed the 2022 campaign in my opinion as the Russians are targeting every 330kw substation in every oblast east of the Dniepr River.

They soon may move west of the River."


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Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:58 pm to
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That's not negotiating, dumbass, that's setting conditions, i.e., surrendering, before negotiating.



Incorrect NAFO Troll. You left out the part that Putin offered the territory in Sumy that Russia controls. That is called a negotiation. Your reading comprehension is on a 1st grade level. Tell me how bad those big bad Russians tortured you? I want the details
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:02 pm to
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the Russians are targeting every 330kw substation in every oblast east of the Dniepr River.

They soon may move west of the River."


So just to be clear: If it's fair for Russia to try and wipe out Ukraine electricity production... then it's equally fair for Ukraine to try and wipe out Russian refined products production, correct?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:04 pm to
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And suddenly Trump is "POTUS". I'm almost positive you shite on him and called him every name in the book from Hitler to Nazi to dictator.
You're full of shite, PoppedRiser. Dumbass.

I've never referred to President Trump with any of those accusations. I supported him both with my votes and financially when he was campaigning in 2020 and 2024. You should perma ban yourself.

I'd ask you to apologize for your blatant lie but everyone knows you don't have enough class to do that, Mr. "I Own a Lawnmower."

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Funny cause Zelensky is a full inch shorter than Putin
So now you're defending Putin over his height?!?
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:11 pm to
Okay, so Barron finally did his job correctly and came up with a legitimate point:

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There isn't going to be a 'wonder weapon' that wins it for Ukraine, and if there is it's going to be the true game-changer in this war, drones.

In terms of US arms shipments, Ukraine is absolutely reliant upon these types of deliveries, but there are upsides to the American taxpayer as well. Rocket fuel has a shelf-life, and since we aren't currently in a major conflict we end up having to dispose of it, which costs us money. By giving them to the Ukraine it actual saves us a few pennies - not much, but it's saving nonetheless.

God job, Barron!!
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:12 pm to
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If it's fair for Russia to try and wipe out Ukraine electricity production... then it's equally fair for Ukraine to try and wipe out Russian refined products production, correct?
You didn't ask me but the answer to your question is "absolutely yes!"
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:14 pm to
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They soon may move west of the River."


By 'soon' do you mean by the 22nd Century?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:29 pm to
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Ukro media has been complaining that Umerov's family has houses all over Florida.
Link it.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:40 pm to
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They soon may move west of the River."


By 'soon' do you mean by the 22nd Century?


Ny favorite part of the Anchorage Disaster was when Putin begged Trump to force Zhelesnky to give up the parts of fhe Donbas that the Russian army cannot capture on their own. Even Trump was shocked by that one.

I genuinely think that's when it finally dawned on Trump just how weak Putin was on this thing. And Trump is nothing if not attuned to weakness in negotiations.

Trump HATES being on the losing side of a deal. And it took him a while. But he finally realized that Russia couldn't win this thing. And he threw his lot in with Ukraine.

That's the death knell for Putin. He can maneuver and kill and maim and raise a lot of Hell. But without Trump pressuring Ukraine to capitulate, Russia can never win.
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:49 pm to
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when Putin begged Trump to force Zhelesnky to give up the parts of fhe Donbas that the Russian army cannot capture on their own. Even Trump was shocked by that one


Please give me a source on this. I want to know more.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:57 pm to
Seems that premium grades are what Russia is low on in gasoline, 92 and 95 octane. For me this means that naphtha reformers are the issue. A catalyst change is at least every 2 years with a maintenance outage, aka turnaround, scheduled at the same time. The catalyst is less active due coke build up. The catalyst can be regenerated with coke burned off in an indirect fired rotary calciner.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:07 pm to
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AT least some Russian troops had dress uniforms in their belongings for a parade in Kyiv


This has to be up there with the Ghost of Kiev stories


Ukrainians found Russian dress uniforms in abandoned vehicles and didn't take a single picture of them apparently. Isn't it odd? Seems like a clear PR win to share those.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:16 pm to
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You left out the part that Putin offered the territory in Sumy that Russia controls.
No, he didn't, Ivan.

He only offered to return a part of Russian controlled Sumy which includes very small tract of land, about 440 square kilometers. (440 kilometers equals about 170 square miles, which is less than half the area of the city of Baton Rouge, La.

By comparison, Ukraine still controls 6,600 square kilometers (2,550 square miles, which is about 25% larger than the state of Delaware) of the Donbas region which Russia demands as a pre-condition to be surrendered by Ukraine to Russia before negotiations can begin.

You continue to fudge the truth, Ivan. Nothing you post can be believed at face value. You just aren't honest.
Posted by texag7
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:23 pm to
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That's the death knell for Putin. He can maneuver and kill and maim and raise a lot of Hell. But without Trump pressuring Ukraine to capitulate, Russia can never win.


When does Ukraine get their land back?

You assured everyone Russia will never keep any land.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:29 pm to
Here's a good NYTimes article that goes into both present geopolitical and historical perspective on what Putin asked Trump to push. And what Trump eventually refused to support.

LINK

In summary the only part of Donesk left in Ukraine control is about 15%. But it's two industrial cities that are critical to Ukraine. And they're a fortress. They're sitting behind a range of hills with layer after layer of prepared defenses. Russia cannot take them.

And the people don't want to be taken. They overwhelmingly support staying with Ukraine.

So Trump basically asked Putin: "You can't capture what's left of the Donbas. So you want me to make the Ukrainians leave?" That's when the bells went off in Trump's brain. That's when he realized who was strong and who was weak. And he picked the winner.
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:42 pm to
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You assured everyone Russia will never keep any land.

What I said was that it is against International Law -- treaties which Russia signed and which are supported by the UN of which Russia is a member -- to take land by force.

It's as simple as that. You cannot march your army into a neighbor and declare that part of its country as belonging to you. It will NEVER be recognized by the International community.

They would have to rewrite the charter of the UN.

So yes Russia can control it. But it will never be recognized.

Doing it this way was always Plan B. Because Plan A was quasi legal. Regime change (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) is allowed by military force. The UN recognizes the government that the US installed in Iraq. Even though it was done by force. As long as there are fair elections, the International community looks the other way.

But Plan A to topple the government in Kiev and install a puppet regime client state like Belarus failed in spectacular fashion. So Plan B was to bite off a chunk of the east and hang on for dear life. It's all Putin has led left.

And when will it go back to Ukraine? Trump thinks relatively soon. But I doubt that. It will take a changing of the guard in Russia. But there's nothing more Russian than expansion, revolution, collapse, reassessment, rinse, and repeat.

Russia has been expanding and collapsing since its inception. And the next time that happens, returning the lands captured by Russia back to Ukraine will be part of the negotiated package that allows the "new Russia" back into the international community.

Somewhere in the future the government that runs Russia will want to rejoin the international community. They'll want to sell oil and gas to Europe. They'll want to be connected back to the SWIFT system. They'll want to rejoin the Olympics . They'll want their citizens to travel. They'll want to import computer chips. They'll want flush toilets. Etc etc.

The price for doing that will be giving Ukraine a chunk of its land back. And they'll do it. Really not even a hard decision.
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