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Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:32 pm to
Ukraine about to freeze to death again? How many times have we heard that one?

Now they might die, but it would likely be from a drone strike on their apartment building.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
8132 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:32 pm to
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Here in America we pay about $8.00 for a hamburger meal now compared to Russia that same Hamburger meal cost $3.00.



The median weekly wage in russia is like 200 to 300 at most, the median weekly wage in usa is like 1200. Thats at least 4x as much.


Ill live in the country with the 8.00 hamburger which is a signifianctly smaller % of median wages, thanks


Eta: i also believe your $8 hamburger claim is complete bullshite , but thats what you do. My numbers are excessively conservative after some research. Its way more in USAs favor then even the picture i painted. Math
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 5:49 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:35 pm to
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Who said I was excited? Just reporting War Updates. Zelensky and the rest of Europe should take Trump's advice and give up the Territory they already lost to Russia and go about their lives. Realize this was the cost for overthrowing a Democratically elected President in Yanukovych and don't make the same mistake again


Russia has put no such deal on the table.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16199 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:51 pm to
I'll have to check but when I bought hamburger meat last it was less than $5 per pound. Then again I didn't buy wagyu ground beef tenderloin.

That comment was akin to Tucker being in awe at the shape of a loaf of bread which any WalMart has in Baton Rouge

BTW, you forgot to mention IF they workers are paid. Companies can and do defer paying wages for months in Russia.
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 5:54 pm
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
8132 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:57 pm to
You can get a bigmac for like 6 bucks
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:58 pm to
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My numbers 


Your numbers are made up BS. I don't need to hear your BS numbers when the IMF/World Bank who are no fans of Russia are giving me the PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) numbers. I will go with them instead of your "research"


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Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
8132 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:02 pm to
I figured you wouldn't respond

Tell some russian citizens about their ppp being behind usa

Grok: you moron, why did you blabber about hamburger! deflect deflect
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 6:04 pm
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:30 pm to
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I figured you wouldn't respond


I did respond. Argue with IMF/World Bank who are not pro Russian and Western created institutions if you disagree that Russia has the #4 ranked economy in the World using PPP GDP. Also according to grok my numbers are almost spot 50% difference in value meal cost. Once again you made up so BS and then get fact checked. No go cry to the IMF/World Bank



"According to the International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook (April 2025 estimates), Russia ranks as the world's 4th largest economy by GDP based on purchasing power parity (PPP), with a projected GDP of approximately $7.19 trillion in international dollars. For context, the top four are China ($40.72 trillion), the United States ($30.51 trillion), India ($17.65 trillion), and Russia.A "value meal" typically refers to a standard combo meal at a fast-food restaurant like McDonald's (e.g., a burger, fries, and drink). Based on crowd-sourced data from Numbeo (updated as of September 2025), the average cost of a McMeal (or equivalent combo meal) is about 500 Russian rubles, or roughly $6 USD in Russia. In the United States, the average is $12 USD.This makes a value meal in Russia approximately half the price of one in the US when converted to nominal USD terms."


Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5759 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:36 pm to
Russian PPP debunked...

AI Overview
Data concerning Russia's Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) are considered flawed due to methodological difficulties, political influences, and structural problems within the Russian economy
. These issues cause a significant discrepancy between Russia's PPP-adjusted GDP and its nominal GDP, potentially overstating the country's economic size and citizens' true standard of living.
Methodological challenges
The general issues with PPP calculations are particularly pronounced in Russia.

Difficulty in measurement: Calculating PPP is more complex than using market exchange rates. The data are infrequent, and in-between-survey figures must be estimated, leading to inaccuracies.
Varying quality of goods: Unlike the simplifying assumption of identical "baskets" of goods and services, the reality is that product quality can vary significantly between countries. Russian goods that are cheaper than their Western counterparts may be of lower quality, skewing the PPP calculation.
Non-traded goods: PPP is highly sensitive to the cost of non-traded goods and services (like haircuts or rent). In emerging markets like Russia, these are often cheaper due to lower wages, which inflates the PPP measure relative to market exchange rates.
Structural transformation: Some analysts suggest that traditional measurement methods fail to accurately capture Russia's economic reality as it undergoes structural changes.

Political and structural problems
Russia's specific economic and political conditions further complicate PPP data.

Data manipulation accusations: There have been unproven claims that Russia manipulates its self-reported PPP numbers to artificially inflate its economic standing. One example cited changing the basket of goods for measurement to replace expensive vegetables with cheaper ones.
Vast inequality: While Russia's overall GDP PPP might appear high, vast wealth inequality means the prosperity is not evenly distributed. A large proportion of the population has a much lower purchasing power than the average figure suggests. For example, studies from early 2025 noted that Moscow is relatively prosperous, but significant parts of the country lack basic infrastructure like indoor plumbing.
Rubles and sanctions: Due to sanctions and geopolitical risk, demand for the ruble is weak, depressing its value relative to other currencies. This pushes Russia's nominal GDP far below its PPP value, making PPP an attractive metric for the Kremlin to use to project economic strength.
Limited global market access: Some of Russia's economic output, particularly in industries like military equipment, is not sold on open global markets. Since these goods do not have a market exchange rate, their value is hard to assess, with some analysts claiming PPP measures in the arms industry could be wildly inaccurate.

Roll Tide.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:37 pm to
That information isn’t current.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:43 pm to
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Russian PPP debunked...


Incorrect. IMF/World Bank numbers are not "debunked". If thats the case then we can't trust any numbers from them including our economy. AI verified the numbers and Reports are accurate from them.


According to the International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook (April 2025 estimates), Russia ranks as the world's 4th largest economy by GDP based on purchasing power parity (PPP), with a projected GDP of approximately $7.19 trillion in international dollars. For context, the top four are China ($40.72 trillion), the United States ($30.51 trillion), India ($17.65 trillion), and Russia."


I love when you NAFO trolls pull off your mask. Now you clowns are even denying Western Institutions like the IMF numbers


Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5759 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:56 pm to
Zelenskyy urges partners to "stop looking for excuses" for not imposing sanctions on Russia

KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO — Saturday, 13 September 2025, 20:17

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has called on international partners to stop finding excuses not to impose sanctions on Russia, adding that he expects "strong steps" from the United States.

Source: Zelenskyy in his evening address

Quote: "I urge all partners to stop looking for excuses not to impose particular sanctions – all partners: Europe, the United States, the G7, and the G20 states."

Details: Zelenskyy emphasised the need to pressure Russia in all jurisdictions, particularly in the energy trade.

"We can hear the position of the US, and this position should be heard by all who still choose supplies from Russia rather than from other partners. Anyone seeking an end to this war must take the necessary steps to halt Russia’s war machine. We are counting on strong steps from the United States, in cooperation with others – strong sanctions and tariff policies – which will serve as an argument for many around the world," he said.

He also announced that Ukraine will intensify "deep strikes" (long-range attacks on Russian territory) as "financing and tasks for this are already in place".

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
8132 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:58 pm to
Oh, your point was that russia is 4th in ppp?

My bad thought we were talking about how much it sucked to live in russia compared to the us economically, proceed.
This post was edited on 9/13/25 at 7:07 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5759 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 7:13 pm to
more russian PPP debunking due to flawed IMF data....

AI Overview
IMF data regarding Russia's Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) and GDP is widely considered flawed and is subject to strong criticism from economists, policymakers, and independent analysts

. The core issues stem from the unreliability of official Russian statistics, the methodological challenges of measuring a sanctioned wartime economy, and the IMF's historical data collection methods.

Key reasons for the criticism

Suppression and manipulation of Russian data
Since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian government has severely restricted access to key economic data, including information on trade, government procurement, and demographics. Independent researchers also suspect that the Russian state statistical service, Rosstat, manipulates economic figures to create the illusion of stability and resilience to sanctions.

Understated inflation: Some economists, such as Torbjorn Becker of the Stockholm Institute of Economics, argue that Russia understates its inflation rate. A deliberately low inflation figure would cause real GDP and GDP (PPP) to be overstated. The IMF's 2024 forecast, for instance, showed a steep decline in Russian growth, which may still not fully capture the hidden inflation.
Missing datasets: As of August 2025, publications like The Moscow Times have reported on Russia limiting access to key economic and demographic data, including figures on inflation-adjusted retail and wholesale trade.

Methodological issues with IMF data collection
The IMF and other international organizations collect data from their member states, a process that relies on the accuracy of domestic statistical agencies. In Russia's case, the IMF has been criticized for relying on Russian-provided statistics that have been deemed unreliable.

"Zero visibility" into the Russian economy: In March 2023, the head of Yale's Chief Executive Leadership Institute claimed that the IMF's Russia Desk economists admitted to having "basically zero visibility" into what was happening in the Russian economy.
Allowing violations of transparency: According to Yale, the IMF has allowed Russia to violate its membership standards, which require members to disclose comprehensive, verifiable national income statistics.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42784 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 7:19 pm to
Russia lying? No way. Ask JB.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 7:37 pm to
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Some economists, such as Torbjorn Becker of the Stockholm Institute of Economics, argue that Russia understates its inflation rate.


This is very comical considering thats exactly what we do. We exclude food and energy in the inflation numbers. Meanwhile a steak from Costco has increased over 50% in a year and they tell us Inflation is only 2.7%


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Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16199 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 7:39 pm to
Not hamburger
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 7:43 pm to
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Not hamburger



Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30717 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 7:49 pm to
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The World Bank/ IMF are telling you that PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) is way more accurate than GDP because it accounts for currency and what it cost to by things in each Country. Here in America we pay about $8.00 for a hamburger meal now compared to Russia that same Hamburger meal cost $3.00.


They are fundamentally flawed, each in their own way. One is sometimes better than the other for a specific argument. PPP is rarely apples to apples. The hamburger meal is similar but not the same. It is true with many consumer goods, including cars and trucks. PPP becomes more problematic with military spending. When comparing, say the US and Germany, military PPP is somewhat apples to apples. When comparing Russia to the US you are comparing a T-90/T-14 to an Abrams not exactly apples to oranges but a fresh apple to an apple that has been sitting in a box for 3 months.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3974 posts
Posted on 9/13/25 at 8:32 pm to
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Realize this was the cost for overthrowing a Democratically elected President in Yanukovych and don't make the same mistake again


This is my favorite idiotic repeated Putin bro talking point.

Ukraine does not have the authority to overthrow a leader it democratically elected, itself. Russia gets to decide who they can and can't overthrow.
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