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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:39 pm to VolSquatch
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I think long term we are actually creating the monster we are trying to destroy here
I'm sorry, what monster is that? The only monsters I want to destroy are Putin and his gang of murderous buddies.
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You can only keep sending guns and money and providing intelligence for so long before you get dragged in yourself.
This is patently False. When the Ukrainians showed us they were willing to fight and the Russians showed the extent of their incompetence and stupidity it underscored not only the need to send such things it showed that the Russians couldn't touch us directly with conventional weapons, only nuclear ones.
The whole point of NATO and the primary purpose of our military's existence was to deal with the whole USSR/Russia/China threat. Everything from the alliances we signed up for to the design of the weapons we built highlighted that and after building such things we look at a clear threat to the world order we built and run from our responsibilities and own best interests. We absolutely can continue such aid, and should.
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Its hilarious that the same posters who treat Putin as if he is a cartoon villain also are absolutely sure that he will never ever in a million years use a nuke.
This is true. Which is why Trump telling the Defense Department to stop guarding against Russian Cyber attacks is the DUMBEST POLICY SINCE WORLD WAR II and proof that he's working with the Russians. This stupid idea leaves us vulnerable to a cyberattack from a party that has attacked us for generations and would leave continental America open to being nuked to hell, but for god sakes don't tell that to Trump's supporters.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:45 pm to VolSquatch
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Russia will rebuild eventually, and with more modern tech and experience gained from this war. It might take them between a quarter and half a century to do it, but they will eventually
No, they won't, and the Russians agree with me which is why this whole thing is 'existential' to them in the first place.
With Russia's demographics in a death-spiral now being put on steroids due to their own suicidal war tactics, Russia as we know it is gone. They will not recover this century, and who the hell knows what will happen after that. As a result it is the Russians, first and foremost, who believe this to be a 'zero-sum' game, not the West.
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as long as they don't collapse into several independent countries (which both Trump and Biden's administrations clearly want to avoid based on their actions)
While I agree that the administrations don't want this, it's going to happen anyway. Russia is going to collapse, it's only a matter of time, and possibly the biggest, scariest question I have for this incompetent administration is whether or not ANYBODY in that Confederacy of Dunces has given any thought to it. My guess is Rubio has, although he's too busy doing anything that matters in the first place.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:47 pm to VolSquatch
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This war is slapping us in the face with the notion that population isn't the resource it used to be in a war anymore.
I agree, but you still have to have one.
No one seems to have told the Russians that lately.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:55 pm to VolSquatch
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This war is slapping us in the face with the notion that population isn't the resource it used to be in a war anymore.
With drones and other tech, smaller countries can "punch up" big time, like Ukraine has done (and done very well).
Well, the US pioneered using technology to make up for raw numbers, because wherever we went to war (not here since long, long ago) we were vastly outnumbered.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:56 pm to VolSquatch
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But you have to consider the nuclear issue. You can't ignore it. And our leaders (in this case I'm talking about the collective west's leadership) clearly aren't ignoring it, and they have far more information on Russia's actual capabilities (and what they might be willing to do) than any of us.
Yes.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:11 pm to Leopold
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When the Ukrainians showed us they were willing to fight and the Russians showed the extent of their incompetence and stupidity it underscored not only the need to send such things it showed that the Russians couldn't touch us directly with conventional weapons, only nuclear ones.
And any big gains Russia has made in this war have been the result of the US (or Elon Musk) pausing something critical to Ukraine.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:17 pm to Leopold
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While I agree that the administrations don't want this, it's going to happen anyway. Russia is going to collapse, it's only a matter of time, and possibly the biggest, scariest question I have for this incompetent administration is whether or not ANYBODY in that Confederacy of Dunces has given any thought to it. My guess is Rubio has, although he's too busy doing anything that matters in the first place.
Russia is going to collapse.
So will China, probably, but they seem more intent on beating that through technology (did you see that they've now invented robots that can carry human fetuses to term?)...
I shudder to mention Climate issues, here, but they are going to destabilize many of the world's governments and countries (I'm starting to wonder if the US will stay afloat... pun semi-intended).
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:45 pm to Leopold
quote:Link?
Trump telling the Defense Department to stop guarding against Russian Cyber attacks
Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:48 pm to Lee B
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So will China, probably, but they seem more intent on beating that through technology (did you see that they've now invented robots that can carry human fetuses to term?)...
Even if that is true, it's way too little, way too late.
It takes 20 years to create a 20 year old, and someone to raise it. China and Russia won't exist in the coming years, at least not as they did before yet our current leadership just wants to hand them over a chunk of territory and make meaningless, worthless deals with them that don't accomplish anything.
God help us all.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 6:00 pm to Leopold
quote:-10 points
it's way to little, way to late.
quote:What territory has "our current leadership" handed to them? What meaningless, worthless deals?
our current leadership just wants to hand them over a chunk of territory and make meaningless, worthless deals with them
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:15 pm to LSURussian
Fair point about the 'too.' Corrections made.
The chunk of territory is Ukraine. Maybe it's part of Ukraine, maybe it's all of it but our current administration is trying to just hand Putin a chunk of territory that doesn't belong to the Russians in the form of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions if not the entire country.
As far as worthless deals go, just start with any peace deal that doesn't include security guarantees. There's been multiple threats that haven't gone through and we're making longstanding treaties worthless by either threatening military action against our actual allies or not even knowing what those treaties are. Any treaty signed with Putin isn't worth the toilet paper hanging in my bathroom.
The chunk of territory is Ukraine. Maybe it's part of Ukraine, maybe it's all of it but our current administration is trying to just hand Putin a chunk of territory that doesn't belong to the Russians in the form of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions if not the entire country.
As far as worthless deals go, just start with any peace deal that doesn't include security guarantees. There's been multiple threats that haven't gone through and we're making longstanding treaties worthless by either threatening military action against our actual allies or not even knowing what those treaties are. Any treaty signed with Putin isn't worth the toilet paper hanging in my bathroom.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 7:50 pm to Leopold
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The chunk of territory is Ukraine. Maybe it's part of Ukraine, maybe it's all of it but our current administration is trying to just hand Putin a chunk of territory that doesn't belong to the Russians in the form of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions if not the entire country.
Ukrainians were saying that the areas in Donbas occupied 2 years ago had been a drain on their economy pre 2014 It's where the most corruption existed and subsidies to the coal mines was more than revenue generated. In terms of value.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:15 pm to Lee B
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Russia is going to collapse.
The estimates I've seen are saying worst case is a population halving by 2100. But I don't think those have caught up with the casualties in Ukraine yet
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:35 pm to Leopold
quote:There haven’t been any peace deals. And no territory deals either. Your bias is noticeable.
As far as worthless deals go, just start with any peace deal
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:22 pm to CitizenK
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Ukrainians were saying that the areas in Donbas occupied 2 years ago had been a drain on their economy pre 2014 It's where the most corruption existed and subsidies to the coal mines was more than revenue generated. In terms of value.
Yet Ukrainians are the majority in those Russian held oblasts...
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:27 pm to CitizenK
Ukrainian mail order brides! (I'm sure Russia has quite a few too).
https://goldenbride.net/ukraine-brides.html
https://goldenbride.net/ukraine-brides.html
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:36 pm to VolSquatch
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The estimates I've seen are saying worst case is a population halving by 2100. But I don't think those have caught up with the casualties in Ukraine yet
But that remaining half probably will not include the Russian ethnicity at all, from what I've read. The people of Moscow and St. Petersburg are like any other urban, educated Central Europeans... they are marrying much later, not having many kids, and many of them who do send them out of the country if they can as they reach adulthood. Putin initiated programs to boost childbirth, but it has not been ethnic Russians in the major metros who've embraced that... it's been the rural people, who are other ethnicities, poorer, less educated/skilled and who - ironically - have higher mortality rates and less likelihood to reach adulthood... and little paying work if they do.
The primary consequence of the developing "collapse" is the loss of skills and expertise in the workforce, which has always been a problem in Russia, anyway.
So, economically, when the population shifts heavily to poor, uneducated people in the rural areas... that is enough to sink the country.
And that is why the Kremlin talks so much of stealing the population of Ukraine... and they drool at the prospect of reclaiming (re-Russifying) the highly literate and educated populations of the Baltic States and Finland.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 10:45 pm to Auburn1968
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Ukrainian mail order brides!
Ha... there's the filtered glamor shots, then mouse over the pic and a video previews... and 99% of them look nothing like the pictures...
Posted on 9/3/25 at 11:58 pm to Lee B
Noyava Gazeta (2023): What is behind the falling birth rate in Russia?
A demographer explains the recent decline in newborns
Vladimir Putin regularly refers to the demographic decline as one of the biggest challenges facing Russia, vowing to fight against it. At the same time, he has started a war, drafting a significant chunk of the male population to fight on the frontlines.
The statistics are quite dire: this June, Russia documented the lowest number of newborns since WWII. The same goes for January, February, and April 2023. We delve into what’s going on together with a demographer who helped us analyse the statistics on the condition of anonymity.
The number of newborns in Russia has been decreasing annually since 2016. Why? The main reasons are not even the war or mobilisation but the so-called “echo of the 1990s” — the sinking number of women of reproductive age.
This phenomenon is explained by the drastic drop in birthrates after 1987 which, coupled with the unprecedented for peacetime number of deaths in 1992-1994, led to what demographers later came to call the “Russian cross”: birth and death lines crossing each other on a graph showing a sharp transition from natural population growth to its decline.
From 1987 to 1999, the number of newborns dropped by about a half: while 2.5 million people were born in Russia in 1987, only 1.2 million were born in 1999 (without taking Chechnya into account). Due to this, between 2010 and 2030 the number of women of reproductive age will decrease in total by 40% — we’ve already gone through the major part of this decline. In 2019, it reached the annual speed of 3%, and after 2023 the decline will likely begin to slow down.
We will see the “bottom” of this demographic decline around 2030. Furthermore, it’s unlikely that we will ever return to the number of newborns of 1987 — the way of thinking and lifestyle have changed.
...
on top of that, there's a lot of abortions in Russia because people can't afford babies in most places.
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Atlantic Council (2024): A Russia without Russians? Putin’s disastrous demographics
A demographer explains the recent decline in newborns
Vladimir Putin regularly refers to the demographic decline as one of the biggest challenges facing Russia, vowing to fight against it. At the same time, he has started a war, drafting a significant chunk of the male population to fight on the frontlines.
The statistics are quite dire: this June, Russia documented the lowest number of newborns since WWII. The same goes for January, February, and April 2023. We delve into what’s going on together with a demographer who helped us analyse the statistics on the condition of anonymity.
The number of newborns in Russia has been decreasing annually since 2016. Why? The main reasons are not even the war or mobilisation but the so-called “echo of the 1990s” — the sinking number of women of reproductive age.
This phenomenon is explained by the drastic drop in birthrates after 1987 which, coupled with the unprecedented for peacetime number of deaths in 1992-1994, led to what demographers later came to call the “Russian cross”: birth and death lines crossing each other on a graph showing a sharp transition from natural population growth to its decline.
From 1987 to 1999, the number of newborns dropped by about a half: while 2.5 million people were born in Russia in 1987, only 1.2 million were born in 1999 (without taking Chechnya into account). Due to this, between 2010 and 2030 the number of women of reproductive age will decrease in total by 40% — we’ve already gone through the major part of this decline. In 2019, it reached the annual speed of 3%, and after 2023 the decline will likely begin to slow down.
We will see the “bottom” of this demographic decline around 2030. Furthermore, it’s unlikely that we will ever return to the number of newborns of 1987 — the way of thinking and lifestyle have changed.
...
on top of that, there's a lot of abortions in Russia because people can't afford babies in most places.
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Atlantic Council (2024): A Russia without Russians? Putin’s disastrous demographics
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