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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:00 am to cypher
Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:00 am to cypher
How China is secretly arming Russia
The Telegraph has found Chinese companies supplying Russian firms sanctioned over drone production for Moscow’s war machine
Now, as Putin is hosted by his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping at a massive military parade in Tiananmen Square on Wednesday, The Telegraph can reveal that Moscow has Beijing to thank for ensuring its arsenal of combat drones is never fully depleted.
The Telegraph has found that Chinese companies directly supplied parts and materials worth at least £47m to Russian firms sanctioned for producing drones, from 2023 to 2024, a period when Moscow was building large-scale logistics infrastructure for its domestic drone programme.
Nearly a quarter of the value of those shipments – £10.7m – were sent to sanctioned Russian firms linked to the production of Iranian-designed Shahed kamikaze drones, operating in a special economic zone (SEZ) in the town of Alabuga, according to Telegraph analysis of global trade records compiled by Sayari, a risk and data intelligence company.
Goods directly exported by China to Russia included aircraft engines, microchips, metal alloys, camera lenses, fibreglass, emulsion binders for fibreglass, and carbon fibre yarns – all key components to produce the drones that wreak nightly havoc on Ukraine.
In all, The Telegraph identified 97 Chinese suppliers.
Publicly, China has feigned neutrality when it comes to Russia’s invasion. But its supply of drone parts suggests a strong military partnership between Beijing and Moscow.
The Telegraph
The Telegraph has found Chinese companies supplying Russian firms sanctioned over drone production for Moscow’s war machine
Now, as Putin is hosted by his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping at a massive military parade in Tiananmen Square on Wednesday, The Telegraph can reveal that Moscow has Beijing to thank for ensuring its arsenal of combat drones is never fully depleted.
The Telegraph has found that Chinese companies directly supplied parts and materials worth at least £47m to Russian firms sanctioned for producing drones, from 2023 to 2024, a period when Moscow was building large-scale logistics infrastructure for its domestic drone programme.
Nearly a quarter of the value of those shipments – £10.7m – were sent to sanctioned Russian firms linked to the production of Iranian-designed Shahed kamikaze drones, operating in a special economic zone (SEZ) in the town of Alabuga, according to Telegraph analysis of global trade records compiled by Sayari, a risk and data intelligence company.
Goods directly exported by China to Russia included aircraft engines, microchips, metal alloys, camera lenses, fibreglass, emulsion binders for fibreglass, and carbon fibre yarns – all key components to produce the drones that wreak nightly havoc on Ukraine.
In all, The Telegraph identified 97 Chinese suppliers.
Publicly, China has feigned neutrality when it comes to Russia’s invasion. But its supply of drone parts suggests a strong military partnership between Beijing and Moscow.
The Telegraph
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 8:50 am to cypher
All the “Red” countries are sticking together, but the US is supposed to stand on thd sidelines? I don’t think so.
No, we shouldn’t send troops, but there are a lot of ways to help.
No, we shouldn’t send troops, but there are a lot of ways to help.
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 11:02 am to cypher
Had to know it was coming.
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The Telegraph has found Chinese companies supplying Russian firms sanctioned over drone production for Moscow’s war machine
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/3/25 at 11:19 am to cypher
Posted on 9/3/25 at 1:41 pm to doubleb
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No, we shouldn’t send troops, but there are a lot of ways to help.
You can only keep sending guns and money and providing intelligence for so long before you get dragged in yourself. Russia is struggling against Ukraine, they absolutely can't win against NATO. So if their back is against a wall, what do they do then?
Its hilarious that the same posters who treat Putin as if he is a cartoon villain also are absolutely sure that he will never ever in a million years use a nuke. Or we get the "most of them maybe probably might not work anyway", completely dismissing the impact that even a couple of nuclear weapons would have on the world considering they have scaled up significantly compared to what we used on Japan in WW2.
My opinion has remained that I just don't find Ukraine worth our tax dollars(but they are worth Europe's!), I don't believe in this zero sum game foreign policy mindset some of you seem to have, and I think long term we are actually creating the monster we are trying to destroy here. Disagreeing with that is perfectly reasonable. Discounting the nuclear question isn't reasonable, even if its unlikely.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:11 pm to VolSquatch
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You can only keep sending guns and money and providing intelligence for so long before you get dragged in yourself.
That’s not really true. Operation Cyclone comes to mind and there are probably a few more in US history for which we don’t have all the details yet. We could continue this level of support for a long time if we wanted to.
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and I think long term we are actually creating the monster we are trying to destroy here.
But aren’t you also engaging in ‘zero-sum’ calculations here?
This post was edited on 9/3/25 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:27 pm to VolSquatch
quote:Who here has posted that??
are absolutely sure that he will never ever in a million years use a nuke.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:00 pm to Auburn1968
China already has direct relations with the middle Volga and Trans Baikal oblasts. A lot of Chinese men have immigrated to those areas of Russia to find wives, and settle.
When Russia loses to Ukraine, China can just walk in and take over.
When Russia loses to Ukraine, China can just walk in and take over.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:15 pm to LSURussian
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are absolutely sure that he will never ever in a million years use a nuke.
Who here has posted that??
I have been mocked for allowing the possibility, actually.
Remember the "cornered rat" story from Putin's childhood and how it shaped his mentality?
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:23 pm to Lee B
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I have been mocked for allowing the possibility, actually. Remember the "cornered rat" story from Putin's childhood and how it shaped his mentality?
Remember the Hitler story.
You try and reason with the dictator. You listen to him, and you give him what he wants. He comes back later wanting something else. You give it to him, but you tell him this us ghd last time. The next Tim Ed h we doedntt to ask, he just takes. He believes you won’t do anything to stop him.
And don’t think the NK dictator isn’t watching. He’s got nukes too. What if he decided he wants something. Do we let him have it because we know that he has nukes?
You can’t let these dictators get away with blackmail. No, you can’t always declare war, but you can’t let them get away with it without paying something.
We should do what we can within reason yo make Russia pay.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:27 pm to doubleb
Europe has caught on to the bluffing. They are no longer concerned about Russia using nukes. Besides all the about Russia's delivery systems is based on fallacies. Their "new" technology is often 1950's US technology and at best 1970's
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:31 pm to doubleb
Yes, I have never suggested not making Russia pay or backing down to the sabre-rattling.
But I won't say they would never use nukes. Probably smaller-yield tactical nukes. If they calculate that the US and the West would be reluctant to retailate to something "limited." And that seems to be part of their calculus... "is NATO really going to start a war over the Baltic States?" is something those talking heads on the talk shows mention every other day.
But I won't say they would never use nukes. Probably smaller-yield tactical nukes. If they calculate that the US and the West would be reluctant to retailate to something "limited." And that seems to be part of their calculus... "is NATO really going to start a war over the Baltic States?" is something those talking heads on the talk shows mention every other day.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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That’s not really true. Operation Cyclone comes to mind and there are probably a few more in US history for which we don’t have all the details yet. We could continue this level of support for a long time if we wanted to.
The opposition eventually won't allow it if it turns out they can't win the war if it continues.
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Operation Cyclone comes to mind
Thats a good counterpoint, I should have been more specific. The difference between this situation and Cyclone is that Cyclone wasn't us funding a conflict Russia saw as existential. This one is quickly becoming existential for them if it isn't already.
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and I think long term we are actually creating the monster we are trying to destroy here.
But aren’t you also engaging in ‘zero-sum’ calculations here?
Not really. I've made the point before that while we are wiping out Russian capability in the present day, as long as they don't collapse into several independent countries (which both Trump and Biden's administrations clearly want to avoid based on their actions) Russia will rebuild eventually, and with more modern tech and experience gained from this war. It might take them between a quarter and half a century to do it, but they will eventually. Nothing zero-sum about that. Short term advantage doesn't guarantee long term dominance, and especially not so when they will be lapdogs for China.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:57 pm to VolSquatch
Long-term, it all depends on whether they can recover in terms of population. I think being a vassal state of China is more likely than the Russians recovering and challenging European security in a real way, win or lose.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:58 pm to doubleb
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You try and reason with the dictator. You listen to him, and you give him what he wants. He comes back later wanting something else. You give it to him, but you tell him this us ghd last time. The next Tim Ed h we doedntt to ask, he just takes. He believes you won’t do anything to stop him.
And don’t think the NK dictator isn’t watching. He’s got nukes too. What if he decided he wants something. Do we let him have it because we know that he has nukes?
You can’t let these dictators get away with blackmail. No, you can’t always declare war, but you can’t let them get away with it without paying something.
No one is saying let them do whatever they want. Thats a bullshite argument.
But you have to consider the nuclear issue. You can't ignore it. And our leaders (in this case I'm talking about the collective west's leadership) clearly aren't ignoring it, and they have far more information on Russia's actual capabilities (and what they might be willing to do) than any of us.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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Long-term, it all depends on whether they can recover in terms of population.
This war is slapping us in the face with the notion that population isn't the resource it used to be in a war anymore.
With drones and other tech, smaller countries can "punch up" big time, like Ukraine has done (and done very well).
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:03 pm to VolSquatch
Also, executing a war in the middle of a massive demographic change like Russia was experiencing since the end of the Cold War is a losing proposition.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:18 pm to VolSquatch
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No one is saying let them do whatever they want. Thats a bullshite argument.
You haven’t been paying attention, there are plenty of folks on this board who believe we should do nothing.
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But you have to consider the nuclear issue. You can't ignore it. And our leaders (in this case I'm talking about the collective west's leadership) clearly aren't ignoring it, and they have far more information on Russia's actual capabilities (and what they might be willing to do) than any of us.
Certainly
I agree with all of this.
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:27 pm to cypher
Nine killed, seven injured in Russian artillery and drone attacks on Kostiantynivka
On September 3, nine people were killed and seven injured in the city of Kostiantynivka, Donetsk region, following Russian artillery and drone strikes.
Vadym Filashkin, Head of the Donetsk Regional Military Administration, reported this on Telegram, according to Ukrinform.
“Nine people killed and seven injured—these are the consequences of today’s shelling of Kostiantynivka,” the post reads.
It was reported that Russian forces targeted civilian vehicles twice using FPV drones. A 36-year-old woman was killed in one of the attacks, and another person was wounded.
According to Filashkin, the artillery strike damaged two apartment buildings, a private house, a shop, a shopping center, and five market pavilions.
“Attacks on civilians are not isolated incidents—they are a deliberate and systematic tactic of Russian terrorist groups. For them, killing peaceful Ukrainians is a form of entertainment. Don’t help them play this deadly game. Protect yourselves and your loved ones. Evacuate in time,” Filashkin emphasized.
Ukrinform
On September 3, nine people were killed and seven injured in the city of Kostiantynivka, Donetsk region, following Russian artillery and drone strikes.
Vadym Filashkin, Head of the Donetsk Regional Military Administration, reported this on Telegram, according to Ukrinform.
“Nine people killed and seven injured—these are the consequences of today’s shelling of Kostiantynivka,” the post reads.
It was reported that Russian forces targeted civilian vehicles twice using FPV drones. A 36-year-old woman was killed in one of the attacks, and another person was wounded.
According to Filashkin, the artillery strike damaged two apartment buildings, a private house, a shop, a shopping center, and five market pavilions.
“Attacks on civilians are not isolated incidents—they are a deliberate and systematic tactic of Russian terrorist groups. For them, killing peaceful Ukrainians is a form of entertainment. Don’t help them play this deadly game. Protect yourselves and your loved ones. Evacuate in time,” Filashkin emphasized.
Ukrinform
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:32 pm to crazy4lsu
Operation Cyclone was a part of the small wars strategy. Russia was beaten in several parts of the globe. The Reagan admin was actually at odds with the CIA's efforts. The CIA was funding the poppy warlords which Reagan was working with the Northern Alliance. The Jomba Conference was key to each of the rebel groups around the world saw that they were not alone and got to meet each other and compare notes on what was effective and not effective.
Charlie Wilson's War is not close to what went on. Charlie ended up being best man at the wedding of a Reagan Aide, Dr. Jack Wheeler (he is still living and was somewhat of a mentor to Eric Prince)
Charlie Wilson's War is not close to what went on. Charlie ended up being best man at the wedding of a Reagan Aide, Dr. Jack Wheeler (he is still living and was somewhat of a mentor to Eric Prince)
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