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re: Latest on the U.S.S. Bonhomme Richard fire | Would be one of largest ships Navy has lost
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:44 pm to EKG
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:44 pm to EKG
byron McGrath retired, commented that it would be easier to fight the fire at sea where there would be a full complement of men.
at sea also their would also be a captain and leadership available to prevent the fire from ever having the opportunity to start.
tied up at the dock for a two year retrofit, I would expect no leadership looking after the safety of the ship. this is not a problem with contractors smoking but rather leaderships lack of accountability to maintain standards.
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:46 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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They're not going to scuttle it at the pier to extinguish the fire. Way too many problems with that scenario.
They would have to tow it out. If the fire continues, it is also a liability at the pier.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:49 pm to Trevaylin
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tied up at the dock for a two year retrofit, I would expect no leadership looking after the safety of the ship. this is not a problem with contractors smoking but rather leaderships lack of accountability to maintain standards.
It's not a leadership failure, it's a lack of manpower. In port for a retrofit, you're probably going to be running six duty sections, three at the most. There isn't enough people to man the fire teams needed to put out a fire like that. The fire got ahead of the efforts to stop it.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:53 pm to Saint Alfonzo
There’s no telling when the contractors even reported a problem. It wouldn’t shock me if they were skating off somewhere and returned to full blown flames.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:56 pm to TigerCruise
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The loss of the ship is devastating but honestly isn't that huge of a long term issue
Except it is metaphoric for the entire U.S. Military machine — going up in flames and sinking to ignominious depths.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:58 pm to EKG
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noting the extensive damage so far, including the collapse of the forward mast — believe it will have to be scrapped.
Fire doesn't weaken steel-9/11 conspiracy clowns
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:59 pm to auggie
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They hire people to do this on the ship also. As I explained in another thread, they hire helpers and fire watch people from the local labor hall. These people are worthless and have no skills, or interest in anything that is going on. They are mostly thugs and women, looking for an easy job. They sit on a bucket all day, playing on their phones, sleeping, and many of the women have a hiding place where they sell BJs.
Do we thank them for their service?
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:02 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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There’s no telling when the contractors even reported a problem. It wouldn’t shock me if they were skating off somewhere and returned to full blown flames.
Very likely that nobody was even working, since it got going over a weekend, except for fire watch/security. They aren't going out of their way to do anything. It was probably something that was smoldering on Friday, and reached some greasy rags, or something else that caused it to accelerate. Then it got into hoses/wiring.
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 6:19 am
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:02 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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There’s no telling when the contractors even reported a problem. It wouldn’t shock me if they were skating off somewhere and returned to full blown flames.
More than possible. A fire at sea is dangerous but easier for a full crew to deal with. Half a crew in port, a fire can turn into a huge problem real quick.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:07 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Half a crew in port, a fire can turn into a huge problem real quick.
When I have done major repair work on Navy Ships, you don't even see any Navy Personnel, 3 or 4 guys maybe. On small repairs a partial crew would be there, but not on big jobs.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:12 am to auggie
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When I have done major repair work on Navy Ships, you don't even see any Navy Personnel, 3 or 4 guys maybe. On small repairs a partial crew would be there, but not on big jobs.
If that was the case on the Bonhomme, they probably only had one fire team.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:38 am to Saint Alfonzo
What? The freaking navy never heard of smoke/fire alarms?
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:47 am to westide
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What? The freaking navy never heard of smoke/fire alarms?
It's not a matter of detection, it's not having enough people available to combat the fire effectively.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:09 am to westide
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What? The freaking navy never heard of smoke/fire alarms?
On a ship being refitted? With hundreds of welders, grinders, and cutting torches, all being used at once? That stuff gets disabled first, because it would be useless.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 5:47 am to OchoDedos
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LHA's Peleliu and Nassau are being held in reserve. One or both could be brought back into service if needed.
This is the exact reason we hold a reserve fleet. If really needed, the navy could bring one of the older Tarawa's out in a minimal amount of time.
I doubt they will though, as they cannot handle the f-35s. It is a massive lost, but we can adjust.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 6:20 am to DesScorp
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That's the price when it was launched in the 90's. It's successor class costs closer to two billion apiece, and doesn't have the rear well deck. The America Class is air launch only.
The first 2 or so are like this I know but didn't they add the well deck back in subsequent ships
Posted on 7/14/20 at 6:37 am to EKG
Beautiful ship, but with all the structural damage she will probably end up as an artificial reef in the Gulf. 
Posted on 7/14/20 at 6:37 am to Saint Alfonzo
Supposedly the hanger was full of combustible material like cardboard and styrofoam
Posted on 7/14/20 at 7:20 am to westide
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What? The freaking navy never heard of smoke/fire alarms?
it's called standing watch
Posted on 7/14/20 at 7:45 am to EKG
So another victim of the F-35 boondoggle.
smh
smh
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