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Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:07 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Severing the "relationship" seems like a snowflake response. Not "APEX" at all.
I've posted other texts on here prior...of his thinking
You don't know what you don't know...
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:08 am to ApexTiger
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I like Cheney. She's a conservative. In the past the Cheyneys aren't known for liberal extremism. Only now due to MAGA fever.
If Cheney is such a conservative then what has she done lately to promote conservatism? Has she used her airtime on the liberal networks to oppose CRT or males competing in female athletics? Has she pointed out to her audience how terrible Biden’s economic policies are?
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The MAGA right has moved the party so far towards the fringe radicals on the far right, there is no room for anything except total cult- like loyalty and fealty towards Trumpism.
The left is going on six years now of irrational hatred of one man. He hasn’t been President in a year and a half but they can’t STFU about him. That is the very definition of cult behavior.
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Cheney, when Trump is the "ideal" feels more like RINO, to the MAGA part. Cheyney voted over 95% for GOP policy. Nonetheless, due to MAGA, she's a liberal pariah because she wont lie about the election results and doesn't want insurrections.
Cheney is a pariah because her entire political being is centered around irrational hatred of Trump and his supporters. It’s not Trump’s fault that Cheney has attacked her own constituents.
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The MAGA party has taken over the civil GOP party like gang members. GOP Members that simply voted for improvement to USA's infrastructure received death threats because they "dared" to agree with Biden. There's so much pressure on the right to be radical and anti-collaborative, how's that position sustainable?
I guess he forgot about the left opposing everything Trump did. He must have slept through the attacks on Kavanaugh. He must have missed the 2020 riots, Russia collusion hoax and the current threats against SCOTUS judges.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:10 am to ApexTiger
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Cheney, when Trump is the "ideal" feels more like RINO, to the MAGA part. Cheyney voted over 95% for GOP policy. Nonetheless, due to MAGA, she's a liberal pariah because she wont lie about the election results and doesn't want insurrections.
Tell your friend when DC politicians are voting at a 95% clip for their party’s alleged policies it’s really a 95% vote for Swamp Uniparty policies..
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:10 am to ApexTiger
So you will sever the relationship because you don’t agree with his response, even if he was expressing an opinion with a friend?
You have more in common with Twitter blue checks than you realize.
You have more in common with Twitter blue checks than you realize.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:12 am to squid_hunt
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I don't see toxic. He's got a difference of opinion which he explained. Persuade him.
Clearly he believes Trump jan 6th protest was an insurrection...
... these same individuals pitched Russian collusion to steal 2016.
You can't have it both ways.
The Cheney tweet was gaslighting...
Irresponsible is my view...
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:13 am to ApexTiger
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I like Cheney. She's a conservative.
Was this a joke?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:14 am to ApexTiger
Please explain this right wing extremism that is taking hold of the GOP.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:15 am to GetBackToWork
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you will sever the relationship because you don’t agree with his response, even if he was expressing an opinion with a friend?
Shall I post his anti white rhetoric for you?
He uses white supremacy...white nationalism in his thoughts
Loves CRT...
Mentions slavery in many of our conversations..
Everything comes back to white culture is responsible...then he connects these dots to Trump voters...
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:15 am to ApexTiger
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There's so much pressure on the right to be radical and anti-collaborative, how's that position sustainable?
Point out where any lib policy has been collaborative
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:16 am to idlewatcher
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Was this a joke?
He likes her because she hates Trump
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:17 am to ApexTiger
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I think I have to severe the "relationship"... way too toxic
If this is "way too toxic" for you, then perhaps you should step out of political discussions altogether, except for echo chambers which do nothing but agree with you.
There's nothing "toxic" there, much less "way too toxic" unless you can't counter his claims and consider that inability to be "way too toxic".
It doesn't matter what the Tweet said because it's not about the tweet. It's about you not being able to rebut a claim in an adult, objective manner. You either rebut it or you concede they have made a point (ie: one you can't rebut at this time, it doesn't mean you agree with them). What this post seems to be saying is that instead of conceding that you are unable to articulate a solid defense against the claim, you would rather run away from the discussion altogether.
Sticking to that philosophy leads to living in echo chambers. Be better than that.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:18 am to squid_hunt
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I don't see toxic. He's got a difference of opinion which he explained. Persuade him.
No can do. Anybody that will not take into account the massive evidence of election fraud is neck deep in 'cognitive dissonance' and 'confirmation bias'. Read Sowell's treatise on "First Principle" and quickly realize that engaging in talk toward "persuasion" only aggravates antipathy.
It's a guarantee that the Old Friend won't admit that the whole Meuller *Investigation* and attempted Coup were fraud as well.
Re any future friendship, state the above, lay out a case for a corrupted Deep State/MSM and for the successful Trump POLICIES and then assert that any future friendship will necessarily omit any discussions of current political dynamics because you both base arguments on disparate informational bases. That is a recipe for disaster.
Basing any future relationship on Religious principle might work, as you both likely agree that the ultimate judgment re what is (the) Truth will be made by Jesus.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:22 am to ApexTiger
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The MAGA party has taken over the civil GOP party like gang members. GOP Members that simply voted for improvement to USA's infrastructure received death threats because they "dared" to agree with Biden.
I wish people could get it through their heads that the democrats have not and are not planning on playing nice. They will vote in lockstep against any conservative congressional action (as if those exist), legitimizing their bills only makes them stronger.
I know I don’t speak for every Trump supporter, but disruption to the status quo is the only shot we have at correcting this, and Trump offers a path toward that.
That’s why I would be ok with someone else in 2024, if they could build on what Trump started, perhaps in a more productive way. I’m not sure if that person is out there or up to it, but I do think Trump has woken enough people up that the GOP swamp is in trouble
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:23 am to ApexTiger
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I like Cheney. She's a conservative. In the past the Cheyneys aren't known for liberal extremism.
This guy has no clue what he's talking about.
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Cheyney voted over 95% for GOP policy.
Uh-huh. This is the kind if crap people liked to say about Dud Jones. What she votes against matters just as much as what she votes for. In the case of big government RINOs, it matters more.
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There's so much pressure on the right to be radical and anti-collaborative, how's that position sustainable?
The MAGA vision for America is the only way this nation could hope to continue successfully.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 7:44 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:25 am to squid_hunt
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I don't see toxic.
He's defending the Cheney tweet saying the MAGA crowd caused the shooting in Buffalo. There's no coming back from that level of lunacy. This guy is unredeemable.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:26 am to ApexTiger
Don’t sever. Take a break when needed, but don’t give up. Always be respectful, and let him know that you can understand why he would feel that way- but let him know that he is being lied to - to serve an agenda, that fits their narrative, which doesn’t line up with reality. Eventually, he will accuse YOU of being a racist. Then, you will have won- as the racism argument only exists in the absence of a fact-based position.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:29 am to ApexTiger
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There's so much pressure on the right to be radical and anti-collaborative, how's that position sustainable?
Ask him what the right is anti-collaborative about? If he comes back saying kids should be groomed then yeah drop him as a friend. If it's general political stances then discuss them. He mentions infrastructure, ask him about where money is going and his thoughts to something like 10 percent of the one bill that passed going to actual infrastructure.
Serious question...does he think the Right needs to always need to move to meet the left? When was the last time the left voted for a clear Right leaning social stance. 5bil to protect our borders 5 yrs ago was to much, but 100bil for a foreign nation to protect their sovereignty not an issue?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:32 am to OceanMan
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That’s why I would be ok with someone else in 2024, if they could build on what Trump started, perhaps in a more productive way. I’m not sure if that person is out there or up to it, but I do think Trump has woken enough people up that the GOP swamp is in trouble
Cities were burned and looted when Trump's (wildly successful) policy as being implemented, with the Dems and RINOs riding his back all the way. To the degree that the Dems lose power, they will gas light via the MSM and force a violent show down in the streets. It's Saul Alinsky 101, crash the System toward 'Government' rescue. Whether the crash comes from destroying the USD via printing money or street insurrection. Marxist know that it always ends up in the same place, "the barrel of a gun".
Posted on 5/17/22 at 7:32 am to ApexTiger
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voted over 95% for GOP policy
Both parties can likely claim that statistic for most of their members. Hell, I would both parties have 50% overlap on their votes. There are tons of procedural votes in the house and that allows an inflation of the "they vote X ways Y% of the time" tripe.
My bet is the 5% Cheney is out of step is on the big issues. The ones that really matter.
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I just looked it up. There were almost 650 votes on matters in 2021 in the house. That means around 33 times Cheney broke with the party. I don't think there were 33 issues in the 2021 House that were "important" to conservatives.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 7:36 am
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