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re: Knee to the neck just debunked in court
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:55 pm to the808bass
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:55 pm to the808bass
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Or the idea that a person talking cannot run out of breath.
Floyd said he couldn't breathe for over 15 minutes which is medically impossible. You absolutely cannot talk as much or as long as Floyd did without air.
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:56 pm to SOSFAN
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I'm still waiting for you to give the exact amount needed For Floyd to OD as a " regular user"
It sounds like you’re saying the same basic thing as me. Arguing that we conclusively know Floyd ODed based on blood levels isn’t a good idea.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:57 pm to SOSFAN
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I do know that his gf said he got the same pills from the same person, less than 2 months before he died, and he spent 5 days in the hospital... oh and she testified that his physical symptoms were the exact same.
I assume the prosecution's follow up to the defense raising that point would be along the lines of "And he didn't die as a result of that event, correct?"
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:02 pm to SOSFAN
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You absolutely cannot talk as much or as long as Floyd did without air.
He will be happy to know he’s still alive after all.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:02 pm to davyjones
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I assume the prosecution's follow up to the defense raising that point would be along the lines of "And he didn't die as a result of that event, correct?
I assume the defenses retort would be somewhere along the lines of "and how many times has he gone to the hospital for a knee on his shoulder for an arrest?" "he's had plenty of arrests, how many did he have this level of fent in his system?"
It's just silly. This case is over. Some should start worrying about their own actions now. I'd imagine that it's safe to assume those riot videos will be reexamined.
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He will be happy to know he’s still alive after all.
If there's an afterlife, he already knows it was the drugs not a knee that killed him.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:04 pm to the808bass
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I’m discussing the idea that Floyd definitely overdosed (he didn’t).
Seriously - when did this get established??
I genuinely missed it - most of the basis for my thoughts on this topic rest on the idea, aka fact, that he was massively overdosed.
Didn't he just swallow his whole stash when the police first approached him??
Didn't one of the toxology reports docent the extent of the overdose??
I have heard some commentary that he had developed some sort of tolerance/immunity to the drugs - I have dismissed that as silly. Is that a real thing?
legit quandary here - I do not have you as one who posts known untrue statements - help me out here.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:07 pm to the808bass
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will be happy to know he’s still alive after all
You're missing the point let me be more specific.
You have to be a imbecile to think Floyd wasn't breathing the whole time he was saying he couldn't . Humans cannot talk without air to go across the vocal cords in the first place and second humans can't hold their breathe that long.
And I'm still waiting on those OD numbers required to kill a regular user. Maybe you shouldn't spout out liberal media points without doing any factual background information.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:09 pm to SOSFAN
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Floyd said he couldn't breathe for over 15 minutes
It certainly was his statements from the very beginning of the episode - long before he was prone with a knee on his back.
I recall that it was one of the first things he said when he was first approached while in his car.
AND that is one of the symptoms of the drugs - it is how a drug OD kills you
/\ I am no doctor, nor have any expertise in the methodologies involved /\ but this is what I have read and have seen no direct rebuttal.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:09 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Seriously - when did this get established??
They won't be able to answer because it is just a " talking point" being used while actually ignoring trial testimony.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:10 pm to AMS
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they are taught to monitor things like pulse, respiration, and consciousness when applying what their training determined to be dangerous restraint like the knee on the back
The Chief of Police was on the stand. That would have been a perfect time to put that fact on the record. I don’t remember reading that such testimony took place. Did I overlook that or is there a reason why this fact was not entered into evidence?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:11 pm to ChineseBandit58
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AND that is one of the symptoms of the drugs - it is how a drug OD kills you
Notice the " he didn't die of a overdose " folks are confidently leaving out the girlfriends testimony, the doctor that declared Floyd dead testimony and the fact that Floyds lungs weighed 2-3 times more than normal.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:17 pm to supatigah
quote:I don't care about Chauvin and I don't know enough to know if the charges are rational. I'm entirely open to the possibility that it's "only" reckless endangerment. That is still a lot different than "cop did good".
i am amazed at how some are so deadset on burning Chauvin that they ignore the difference between hyperventilating, having a panic attack, suffering from Covid, ODing on drugs or two cops sitting on you pressing on your back and neck. the net result to the victim may be the same but the circumstances around them are all different and cast reasonable doubt all over this case
which is why GF losing consciousness, rookie cop saying he cant find a pulse, “shouid we roll him over” and chauvin not changing tactics is reckless endangerment to me
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:18 pm to lpb tiger
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Det. Chavin
He might have but Officer Chauvin didn't.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:21 pm to SOSFAN
So I see thebass808 signed off. Guess he couldn't produce the information proving that Floyd didnt die from a OD after all.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:21 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:According to the MN statutes they are using, it doesn't exactly mean what it's usual connotation implies.
It is the friggin' MURDER charge that causes me to choke
quote:Sure, but that has nothing to do with the charges/trial/incident itself. And it's not like Chauvin was clean either.
the evolution of the only pre-incident CRIMINAL in the situation into sainthood is a world turned upside down.
quote:Could not agree more. I would argue it's criminal what they did in criminalizing funerals for all of us hoi polloi while allowing the SJWs to spill into the streets over and over.
Memorials for a criminal in 5 states??? absurd.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:22 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:And what did the training say to do when they became motionless for many minutes after you knelt on them?
Even I - a US Marshal - was trained to kneel on the back of a resisting perp right between the shoulder blades while they're in the prone position. This is also part of the training on excited delirium syndrome and how to combat the effects.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:24 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:So literally motionlessness for minutes is not "compliance"? What is it? It sounds like literal "comply or die" to me.
We're trained to literally keep a combative perp restrained and subdued until compliance
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:26 pm to SOSFAN
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Maybe you shouldn't spout out liberal media points without doing any factual background information.
Those were liberal media points. They were what a pharmacist said on this board. And he’s pretty conservative.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:26 pm to the808bass
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I was arguing a little more generally. Razor Bronc seemed to say that restraining someone is more important than them living. I was clarifying that idea.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but we are law enforcement officers sent to stop a criminal from breaking a law and/or hurting/killing other innocent individuals. We're called, and respond, to stop them and protect the public. We are not EMS sent there to treat anybody dealing with a long, long list of ailments or possible health issues stemming from their illegal lifestyle choices.
Secondary to protecting the public, is protecting our own lives. This is especially true with a combative and non-compliant perp. We have no idea what that person has ingested or what kind of weapons they have, we have no idea what an (especially high and strung out) individual under arrest might do next. Our job is to stop this person from inflicting more harm, period.
Even secondary to THAT, is making sure this criminal is perfectly healthy to handle being arrested and/or restrained.
What would you suggest the officers do differently, when Floyd wouldn't comply with being peacefully arrested, yelled and screamed before he was even restrained, was freaking out sitting in the back of the cop car, and asking to be laid down?
Have you ever actually looked into excited delirium syndrome and how to combat it? Did you know that it's deadly in itself and a common cause of death amongst multi-drug users under arrest? Because Floyd was 100% experiencing Ex-DS.
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