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re: Kimmel's first amendment rights are not being violated.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:04 am to RoosterCogburn585
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:04 am to RoosterCogburn585
Hes free to still speak, he just cant do it for ABC
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:05 am to Tigers0918
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The FCC directly threatened abc to fire him.
Hate him all you want, that is overstepping by the government. Guess the right really did want big government after all.
Yeah, if that's is the required action by the FCC, then all the people on legacy media that lied about the "good people on both sides" and Russiagate should be fired.
But maybe it has more to do with him lying to gaslight an assassination.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:05 am to RollTide4547
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Project much?
It's tiring listening to people blabber about "the first amendment gives you the freedom of speech but not the freedom from consequences." That statement is flat out wrong.
Many conservatives are arguing that the first amendment does not apply here. That's simply incorrect IF (and that's a big IF) the FCC is involved. The first amendment absolutely applies. That doesn't mean his first amendment rights were violated, but to blanketly state that the first amendment is inapplicable here is incorrect.
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:06 am to RoosterCogburn585
These people are more upset about Kimmel being cancelled than Charlie being killed.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:09 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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He can blather on all he wants. Build a YouTube channel.
Him and Colbert should start a podcast. Name it Far Left Assholes.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:10 am to RoosterCogburn585
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Please explain UpToPar
Your OP suggests that there can only be a violation of the first amendment if Kimmel was arrested or suffered other "legal consequences" (whatever that means). That's simply not the case. It's possible that his firing (or having his show pulled off air) is a violation of his first amendment rights if the government is the one forcing the issue. Now, this gets very nuanced at this point, but to blanketly state that your first amendment rights cannot be violated unless you are arrested or suffer other legal consequences is simply false and demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the first amendment works.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:10 am to UpToPar
quote:No its not. FCC did not fire Blackface Jimmy. His company did. Blackface Jimmy show was losing Millions a year. The company simply used his comments as an excuse to cut him AND his millions in losses.
the first amendment gives you the freedom of speech but not the freedom from consequences." That statement is flat out wrong.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:10 am to lake chuck fan
quote:AND... because ABC is a broadcaster and regulated by the FCC part of that performance and representation falls into the 'public interest' realm.
He was an employee of ABC, therefore he had a responsibility to not represent the nerwork in an unflattering manner.
This is about an employer and an employee job performance.
I say put the DOJ and FBI officials that were in direct contact with Twitter and Facebook (some housed in their offices) on the case.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:13 am to UpToPar
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Now, this gets very nuanced at this point
Why do all leftist's arguments get "very nuanced". Jimmy has been on the air for close to 5 years of Trump and criticized him the whole time. If Trump wanted to silence detractors he would have done so a long time ago.
Plus, ole Jimmy hasn't even been fired. Just had his show pulled. Is he still getting paid?
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:13 am to Tigers0918
Exactly.
I can see why people might view his comments as insensitive, etc. And I understand that an employer is going to fire someone if what they are saying may impact their business. But 24 hours before this happened, there was a direct threat of regulatory action from the FCC if Kimmel was not fired. Just because he is not being arrested does not mean that the government is flaunting he first amendment by acting that way.
I can see why people might view his comments as insensitive, etc. And I understand that an employer is going to fire someone if what they are saying may impact their business. But 24 hours before this happened, there was a direct threat of regulatory action from the FCC if Kimmel was not fired. Just because he is not being arrested does not mean that the government is flaunting he first amendment by acting that way.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:15 am to RollTide4547
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No its not. FCC did not fire Blackface Jimmy. His company did.
This is short-sighted. If the FCC threatened to pull licenses then the FCC could absolutely be found to be suppressing political speech. It's the same thing with twitter. If the Biden administration is telling twitter to remove posts that criticize the administration or it will pull twitter down then the Biden administration is absolutely suppressing speech and the first amendment is applicable. We can't have it both ways. We can't complain about the twitter covid stuff and cheer on the Kimmel situation.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:15 am to RoosterCogburn585
quote:This is pompous, pretentious, condescending, arrogant, smug lefty-speak for "as a conservative you are entirely too uneducated and unenlightened to understand this".
"very nuanced"
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:17 am to UpToPar
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If the FCC threatened to pull licenses then the FCC could absolutely be found to be suppressing political speech
Pretty big "if" there. If your aunt had a dick she would be your uncle.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:17 am to Tigers0918
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The FCC directly threatened abc to fire him.
Were you born yesterday? Like it or not, the FCC regulates speech onthe airwaves and they've been doing it for a long time. Remember the Janet Jackson SB nip slip or them imposing a $200k fine on every curse word on radio so shock jocks had to flee to satellite radio?
BuT tHeYrE sHrEdDiNg ThE cOnStItUtIoN!!!
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:17 am to RoosterCogburn585
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Kimmel's first amendment rights are not being violated.
Dumbasses on the left forget the first 5 words of the First Amendment.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:18 am to UpToPar
quote:IF the Queen had nuts she COULD be the King.
If the FCC threatened to pull licenses then the FCC could absolutely
quote:Bull Excrement. The ONLY way to fight a bully is to bully them back. Give them a BIG dose of their own medicine. They won't like it at all, but force it down their throats so that they NEVER consider doing it to anyone else again.
We can't have it both ways. We can't complain about the twitter covid stuff and cheer on the Kimmel situation
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:19 am to RoosterCogburn585
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Why do all leftist's arguments get "very nuanced".
I'm about as far from a leftist as you will find on this board.
It gets nuanced for the following reasons: If the FCC did indeed press the issue, now we have a government actor suppressing political speech and we need to move down the first amendment analysis. Did the speech violate an FCC rule or regulation? Is the speech protected or is it so abhorrent that we, as a society, have deemed it not protected by the first amendment? We get to some pretty slippery slopes once we start going down this path.
I hate Jimmy Kimmel as much as the next guy and if I was ABC I would have pulled him off air years ago. I just don't think the government should be dictating these things because the pendulum swings in the other direction as well.
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:19 am to I20goon
where was this media outrage over free speech when Trump, the sitting president of the united states, was de-platformed? When Tucker was fired from Fox? When Alex Jones was sued into oblivion? When Rush Limbaugh was forced out at ESPN? When Glenn Beck was let go from Fox? When Steven Crowder was being demonetized on Youtube over and over and over again? When ABC fired Rosanne Barr from her own show? When Youtube went after Dennis fricking Prager? I could go on forever...
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:19 am to Tigers0918
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The FCC directly threatened abc to fire him.
Hate him all you want, that is overstepping by the government
It was a dumb statement by the FCC chair, but I also don't see Disney/ABC bending the knee to this administration. The FCC couldn't just pull their broadcast license, there would have to be a hearing or something like that. You could say Disney doesn't want to spend the money on that fight but I would bet most major media companies would. If they win they set new longstanding precedent.
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