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re: Kilmar Abrego Garcia will get an additional hearing thanks to a Federal Judge
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:23 am to SallysHuman
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:23 am to SallysHuman
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It sounds like they either had to, or were nearing having to bring him back- so they decided to use the recently closed case to pin on him upon his return.
I *think* the HSI case was closed to speed along his deportation- having an open case in the US was in Kilmar's advantage.
Good points, but I think it was a stalemate as long as the Trump Administration maintained the legal fiction that we couldn't convince El Salvador to release him.
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Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:26 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Good points, but I think it was a stalemate as long as the Trump Administration maintained the legal fiction that we couldn't convince El Salvador to release him.
Maybe admin47 wanted to clean their hands by building the case and doing it the right way- may not have made a difference in Kilmar's case but would have tidied things up for future cases. I'm not a government official or a lawyer though, so who knows.
This was the only high profile "disappearing immigrants" case the left had in their ammo bag... if it gets fixed the "right" way, there's no fingers to point.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:32 am to SallysHuman
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I don't agree with the term malicious.
I don't disagree with you there. I should have used the appropriate legal term "vindictive prosecution." There seems little doubt that the investigation would not have been reopened if Abrego Garcia hadn't challenged his deportation...agree?
Thanks again for finding the opinion. The questions are "did Tennessee HSI do ANY investigation in the years they had the case" and "why did they close their investigation."
I think your guess that they did it to help deportation is a good one.
The video from the traffic stop alone seems convincing of his guilt. Would be nice to know why there was no follow through.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:39 am to SallysHuman
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Maybe admin47 wanted to clean their hands by building the case and doing it the right way
This is would I never understood. The right way seemed easy. Because of the change in circumstances (the crushing of El Salvador’s gangs), the 2019 withholding order should have been revisited and reversed. That would have taken a week. Easy peasy. Abrego Garcia could have been deported to El Salvador.
Instead, we got all this political grandstanding. It was an easy legal case. IRRESPECTIVE OF whether or not he was a bad guy, Abrego Garcia was here illegally. The impediment to his removal to El Salvador in particular could have been easily cured.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:41 am to IvoryBillMatt
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The questions are "did Tennessee HSI do ANY investigation in the years they had the case" and "why did they close their investigation."
That IS definitely a question to ask... HSI got referred the case Dec 1st 2022.... and there's nothing I can find until case closed March 12th 2025.
I will point out... from Dec 2022 til Jan 2025, that was Biden's administration.
Noem was appointed and confirmed Jan 2025. Seems reasonable that a little more than month she was getting this handled. Who knows how many more out there that are like it?
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There seems little doubt that the investigation would not have been reopened if Abrego Garcia hadn't challenged his deportation...agree?
That's kind of a trick question... had he stayed deported there would have been no need to prosecute or convict him of anything further. That doesn't make it vindictive, that makes it the next logical step. The goal is Kilmar off our streets. Step one, the cheapest (not anymore, but initially) was to deport him. Failing that, step two is to prosecute/convict or deport him elsewhere AS HE HAD AN ORDER for deportation.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:43 am to IvoryBillMatt
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The impediment to his removal to El Salvador in particular could have been easily cured.
You forget, while ES is safer because of the gang crackdown... their super jail is not humane by US standards and the super jail was where he was sent, not the streets of ES.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:43 am to BoomerandSooner
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We should let Waverly Crenshaw have Kilmar stay in his house for a week.
Kilmar would rather stay with his "pocket" senator. The senator buys him nice drinks and gives him handies when the cameras are off. This judge wants him to just eat cereal and do yardwork.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:48 am to biglego
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Our country can’t even get rid of an illegal gang member. What a joke our legal system is.
The Radical Left decided to conquer the USA decades ago. The first American institution they conquered was the Educational system. The second one that they conquered was the US Judicial system.
The Left have a firm hold on both. It will take a generation to change that. The Left will fight with every means at their disposal to prevent that.
USA now is so compromised that it can't even deport an illegal alien who is an MS13 gang member.
Trump is trying to UN-conquer the USA, but, it's going to be a tough fight.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:48 am to SallysHuman
Thanks for the discussion. I agree he needs to be gone.
Without rehashing everything, I think the Administration's strategy began as a stubbornness to admit a mistake and morphed into an advertisement for self-deportation..."look even if there ARE orders prohibiting your removal to a specific place, we might still send you to CECOT because of a mistake."
Without rehashing everything, I think the Administration's strategy began as a stubbornness to admit a mistake and morphed into an advertisement for self-deportation..."look even if there ARE orders prohibiting your removal to a specific place, we might still send you to CECOT because of a mistake."
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:50 am to SallysHuman
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You forget, while ES is safer because of the gang crackdown... their super jail is not humane by US standards and the super jail was where he was sent, not the streets of ES.
But his withholding order was based on a condition on the streets of ES in 2019...his alleged fear of persecution from a gang...which no longer existed in 2025.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Without rehashing everything, I think the Administration's strategy began as a stubbornness to admit a mistake and morphed into an advertisement for self-deportation..
I might be misremembering... but didn't admin47 ditch the dude that said they made a mistake? I don't think admin47 ever admitted to a mistake. One attorney said something to that effect and the government said NO mistake was made.
I'll have to figure out how to find that... but I think a lot was hung on an attorney's statement that was denied by the admin.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:54 am to IvoryBillMatt
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But his withholding order was based on a condition on the streets of ES in 2019...his alleged fear of persecution from a gang...which no longer existed in 2025.
True. But because ES is safer with the gangs rounded up, ES probably didn't want him on their streets either due to his gang ties.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 8:58 am
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:56 am to SallysHuman
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True. But because ES is safer with the gangs rounded up, ES probably didn't want him on their streets earlier due to his gang ties.
Good point.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:57 am to IvoryBillMatt
Bill... yes, the attorney that said there was an error was ultimately fired. The government admits no such error. I googled it and took a screenshot for you.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:57 am to stout
Wait, I thought they shipped him out last week?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:58 am to stout
Unbelievable.
He should have never been brought back. Stupidity and arrogance is why this is still going on.
He should have never been brought back. Stupidity and arrogance is why this is still going on.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:04 am to SallysHuman
Thanks. I followed it closely. There was a 2019 order by a Trump Immigration Judge prohibiting removal to El Salvador.
The person in charge of the facility in Texas signed an affidavit admitting that was known and that it was a mistake to remove him to El Salvador. The DOJ NEVER amended their pleadings to allege that Abrego Garcia COULD be removed to El Salvador legally. Their (successful) position was: "We made a mistake , but can't do anything to remedy that because he is beyond the jurisdiction of the US Courts."
The person in charge of the facility in Texas signed an affidavit admitting that was known and that it was a mistake to remove him to El Salvador. The DOJ NEVER amended their pleadings to allege that Abrego Garcia COULD be removed to El Salvador legally. Their (successful) position was: "We made a mistake , but can't do anything to remedy that because he is beyond the jurisdiction of the US Courts."
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:05 am to CR4090
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He should have never been brought back. Stupidity and arrogance is why this is still going on.
Agreed. Makes no sense.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:07 am to hogcard1964
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Wait, I thought they shipped him out last week?
Nope. That was the typical premature crowing based on a shallow X post.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:16 am to IvoryBillMatt
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crowing
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