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“Killing” All of Hamas Won’t Eradicate Israel’s Problem - Hamas is More Idea than Group

Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:49 am
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
2577 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:49 am
Hamas is not just an organization; it is the militant expression of an idea—that Israel must be destroyed and replaced by an Islamic state.

As long as millions of Palestinians (and many others across the Muslim world) see their identity, dignity, and faith itself as inseparable from resisting Israel’s existence, killing every current Hamas member will only create space for new recruits and new leadership.

Islam, for many in that region, has fused with Palestinian nationalism so tightly that humiliation and occupation keep fertilizing the soil in which that idea grows. Simply eliminating today’s fighters without addressing their underlying grievance and identity simply guarantees there will be another generation of fighters (at least).

At bottom, the World will continue to pay for this Old Testament feud through mass migration spilling out of the region, higher energy prices, and threat of nuclear proliferation as those weapons become more and more accessible.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38236 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:55 am to
So arresting all criminals won’t stop the idea of crime so we just let criminals go?


I believe we’ve done that from 2020 to 2024.



Worked out great’n’all.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
6998 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:57 am to
the problem will take care of itself if we just disassociate from the conflict... simple as that. not our fight
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
12581 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:58 am to
Good point, RFK...

quote:

As long as millions of Palestinians (and many others across the Muslim world) see their identity, dignity, and faith itself as inseparable from resisting Israel’s existence, killing every current Hamas member will only create space for new recruits and new leadership.


Kill 'em all.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
41631 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:58 am to
So, like Antifa, Hamas is an idea?


Huh.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94593 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

So, like Antifa, Hamas is an idea?


It is a rhetorical tactic. "There is no 'Hamas'. That's just a boogeyman Israel uses to engage in genocide. But, if there was a 'Hamas' and they believed that '...from the river to the sea...', I would agree with them."

I just replace it with that and it lets me understand their POV perfectly.

Every single person who says it (about Hamas and/or Antifa), thinks it.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
6068 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:04 pm to
How did they deal with the Nazis? That was a belief system as well.

I’ll wait.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
45709 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Hamas is More Idea than Group


Gosh, where have I heard this stupid left-wing talking point before? I dont remember, but I bet my Aunt Tifa knows.

I'll call her and find out.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135054 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

mass migration spilling out of the region
Just not into neighboring ME countries?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71058 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:14 pm to
It isn't just Hamas. There are multiple terrorist groups involved and they've all fought in Gaza. Islamic Jihad is probably the most worrisome being that it has the best toehold in the West Bank.

Anyway, if you truly want to deal with Hamas you have to get the UN out of the equation, but we refuse to do that while also refusing to force the UN to recognize Hamas and other groups that it works hand-in-hand with as terrorist organizations.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18117 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:26 pm to
Too late for that. Too many radicalized Muslims in the US now. Plus, this isn’t a recent problem. The Barbary Pirates attacked us and took people as slaves because that was the will of Allah. This started at the beginning of the United States. Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe struck back.

If there was no Israel, the crazies would still hate us.


Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
14936 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:30 pm to
Eliminating the military forces that neighboring countries "aren't responsible for" will at least minimize it.

They need to clean all of Israel of Arabs too.
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
2577 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:37 pm to
You don’t have to defend Islam to understand Israel’s indiscriminate killing of over 60,000 Palestinians (mostly women and children) does nothing to bring the conflict to a peaceful resolution.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
12581 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

You don’t have to defend Islam to understand Israel’s indiscriminate killing of over 60,000 Palestinians (mostly women and children) does nothing to bring the conflict to a peaceful resolution.


Don't fool yourself into believing in the innocence of women and children.

Women are just as, if not more-so, vicious... and children, well, they grow up.

Killing over 60k palestinians has brought them closer to peace than having let them live and multiply.





Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18117 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:45 pm to
Why did Hamas start this? When you launch a sneak attack and murder, rape and kidnap people there will be retribution. Hamas attacked an enemy it could not defeat and caused their own people to die. Even now, thoroughly defeated they won’t surrender and spare their people the hardships. They could end all of this in a minute.

Look if Israel had started this I would agree with you but they didn’t.
Posted by Bama Bird
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Mar 2013
22547 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

Islam, for many in that region, has fused with Palestinian nationalism so tightly that humiliation and occupation keep fertilizing the soil in which that idea grows. Simply eliminating today’s fighters without addressing their underlying grievance and identity simply guarantees there will be another generation of fighters (at least).


Japan had this same nationalism/religion mindset but even more entwined and it disappeared overnight. If you beat 'ideas' into submission, they go away.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
6998 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Too late for that. Too many radicalized Muslims in the US now. Plus, this isn’t a recent problem. The Barbary Pirates attacked us and took people as slaves because that was the will of Allah. This started at the beginning of the United States. Thomas Jefferson and James Monroe struck back.

If there was no Israel, the crazies would still hate us.


theres now 2 billions muslims in the world and were not getting rid of them. the number is only going to go up.

what are you suggesting?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
12581 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

theres now 2 billions muslims in the world and were not getting rid of them. the number is only going to go up. what are you suggesting?


Allahcaust.
Posted by prouddawg
Member since Sep 2024
6662 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Hamas is not just an organization; it is the militant expression of an idea


Like ANTIFA

This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Rza32
Member since Nov 2008
4249 posts
Posted on 11/18/25 at 1:13 pm to
Just like Batman.
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