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re: Kentucky EMS unit face losing their licenses for saving a snakebitten man’s life
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:52 am to Goombaw
Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:52 am to Goombaw
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Jeff Thurman, a member of the board’s medical oversight committee, is sharing why guidelines are put in place for EMS workers.
“From my perspective, the focus shouldn’t necessarily be on the outcome, its on why the scope of practice exists, why it protects the public, and why we don’t want practitioners at any level, whether it be EMT, paramedic, nurse, physician, doing things that they haven’t been properly vetted to do,” he said.
Sounds like Jeff Thurman needs to lose his job.
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:00 am to Goombaw
I've never understood why Zoo's with venomous snakes, does not have a staff member qualified to administer the anti venom.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:20 am to FATBOY TIGER
Sounds like the policy that only “Wilderness Paramedics” can administer anti-venom is just an attempt to justify a need for another class and certification or a favor for a friend.
I would love for their local medical director to work with the zoo and add the procedure of administering anti-venom to their protocols and see what happens.
I would love for their local medical director to work with the zoo and add the procedure of administering anti-venom to their protocols and see what happens.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:28 am to Goombaw
I would go into a blind rage and kill someone with my bare hands if they did something like that to my child.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:29 am to Bard
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Jeff Thurman, a member of the board’s medical oversight committee, is sharing why guidelines are put in place for EMS workers.
“From my perspective, the focus shouldn’t necessarily be on the outcome
Before clicking the link, this scene popped in my head
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:36 am to Snipe
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First thing that comes to mind is; does Kentucky have a good Samaritans law, (law stating you can not be charged if it can be proven that you are acting in the best interest of the person in need) , second, would trained EMS personnel be covered under said law if it exists?
They aren't being charged with a crime, they are being admonished for "practicing outside the scope of their job"
It's stupid none the less, but what you are indicating is a separate thing entirely
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:42 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Sounds like Jeff Thurman needs to lose his job.
FWIW, Kentucky is the only state with the “Wilderness” designation for EMS.
I’d check his bank account.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:44 am to Snipe
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First thing that comes to mind is; does Kentucky have a good Samaritans law,
They a rent being charged criminally, so a law wouldn’t help them.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:45 am to Goombaw
Why won't the governor step in and put a stop to the nonsense? It sounds like a no brainer.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:47 am to Goombaw
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Jeff Thurman, a member of the board’s medical oversight committee, is sharing why guidelines are put in place for EMS workers.
Sounds like this Jeff Thurman would have let the dude die.
The world needs less Jeff Thurman's.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:48 am to Goombaw
(1) basically, the paramedics broke a rule that they agree to follow to obtain their license. They are technically wrong. Their actions and their licenses should be looked at.
(2) After looking at their actions, common sense should kick in and this should be a non-issue. They did the right thing even though they went against their rules.
(2) After looking at their actions, common sense should kick in and this should be a non-issue. They did the right thing even though they went against their rules.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:49 am to JackieTreehorn
quote:
In 1990 I witnessed Randy Savage bitten by a Cobra and he didn't even miss his next match.
A cobra once bit Chuck Norris. After 3 days of excruciating pain, the cobra died.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:54 am to Naked Bootleg
quote:
The legal system has done as much as anything else to frick up this country.
I'm a lawyer... not one of the ambulance chasers and plaintiff scumbags... and I 100% agree. It's pathetic what a-hole lawyers have done to this country over the last few decades or so.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 11:57 am to shinerfan
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Tough idiots though.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 12:02 pm to Goombaw
quote:
Jeff Thurman, a member of the board’s medical oversight committee, is sharing why guidelines are put in place for EMS workers.
“From my perspective, the focus shouldn’t necessarily be on the outcome, its on why the scope of practice exists, why it protects the public, and why we don’t want practitioners at any level, whether it be EMT, paramedic, nurse, physician, doing things that they haven’t been properly vetted to do,” he said.
Idiot bureaucrats like Thurman are a danger to human health and safety due to their foolishly rigid adherence to BS rules. He should be fired for stupidity.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 12:11 pm to imjustafatkid
95% chance Jeff wrote that regulation himself to line his own pockets and protect his little fiefdom.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 12:16 pm to Nutriaitch
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showed him how to do long divines and came out with all the correct answers.
was given an 0 on the assignment because he didn't use the "right process"
so I had a meeting with his teacher.
Bruh, this happened last year. Before I had a talk with the teacher, I did this exact thing with my son with some of his algebra, and the teacher told him to stop listening to your dad, I'm showing you the right way, and if you don't do it my way you will be marked wrong even though you get the right answer. I about lost my mind.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 12:18 pm to TheFolker
quote:Probably because he didn't have an IV in place.
If they had the anti-venom at the zoo then why didn’t the snakebite victim just give it to himself?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 12:22 pm to Goombaw
I’m OK with what they did, but what happens if the EMTs administered the anti-venom and the snake handler died shortly after?
Posted on 9/29/25 at 1:48 pm to RolltidePA
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This falls into that category of professionally ethically wrong, but morally right.
Administering the drug without a license goes against the bureaucratic standards of ethics, but letting a man die because of those bureaucratic standards is unacceptable.
They did the right thing and if they lose their jobs or license because of it, it's a travesty. I don't see any court siding against them."
As a physician, I 100% agree with you. If these EMT / paramedics are charged or censored, they need to take it to court before a juror, and bring in the victim they saved for testimony. Not a snowball's chance in Hades that a competent juror would find the guilty. This is something that laws and regulations can never cover. Even if he had died, they did the right thing.
This falls into that category of professionally ethically wrong, but morally right.
Administering the drug without a license goes against the bureaucratic standards of ethics, but letting a man die because of those bureaucratic standards is unacceptable.
They did the right thing and if they lose their jobs or license because of it, it's a travesty. I don't see any court siding against them."
As a physician, I 100% agree with you. If these EMT / paramedics are charged or censored, they need to take it to court before a juror, and bring in the victim they saved for testimony. Not a snowball's chance in Hades that a competent juror would find the guilty. This is something that laws and regulations can never cover. Even if he had died, they did the right thing.
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