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re: Kamala Voters* - Explain to Me*

Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:31 pm to
Posted by AnAppleADay
Member since May 2016
137 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:31 pm to
The folks who will vote for Kamala either (a) genuinely support explicitly stated policies such as restricting fossil fuels or banning offshore drilling or (b) think Trump is a legitimate threat to democracy.

Whether she can win I imagine will depend on how many moderates fall into (b) as her stated policies are anything but moderate. She’ll no doubt try to high tail it to the center, but I doubt it will be convincing.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
21496 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:32 pm to
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it’s well-documented that inflation is mostly greedflation.

WTF?
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
5047 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:32 pm to
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And you truly believe the president controls grocery prices? How?


Gas prices is directly involved with this.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5301 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:32 pm to
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No shite..so how bout addressing the elephant in the room




Dude, i suggest you read the entire thread, it’s only three short pages.. i made it pretty clear where i stand, and where i dont stand.. my post above quoted one line of someone else’s post, and I responded to what they said.. not sure what ‘elephant’ you are talking about, but im probably not the one to address it since i dont have a dog in this fight, at least not yet .. in plain English- that dog dont hunt with me .
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90338 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:33 pm to
I asked for a link.

Dumbass will give nothing.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:38 pm to
How have you not heard that term before in the year 2024?


Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97721 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:39 pm to
Are you going to provide the documentation to back up your statement?
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90338 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:40 pm to
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Posted by HeadLightBanDit
Hernando, MS
Member since Oct 2012
1862 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:40 pm to
OP

You're not going to like my answer, because in your hypothetical it wouldn't do anything to convince you or sway your opinion.

I'm voting Kamala for the same reason I voted Joe in 2020. They're not Trump.

I don't respect the man or his mannerisms. He's the absolute antithesis of ANYTHING Christian, or presidential, or patriarchal.

I do not understand why people here cannot grasp the simple reality that with such a polarizing figure as Trump, the public is either going to love him or hate him. It's not that radical of a concept. But here that makes me a "radical leftist" or whatever.
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
918 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:43 pm to
The S&P500 is up 45% over the past 4 years. My investments have never looked as healthy as they do at the moment.

Economic growth in the US has been higher than any other G7 nation despite challenging macro environment. Real GDP (i.e GDP adjusted for inflation) has grown far outpacing every other G7 nation. This wasn't the case from 2017-2021 where other nations outpaced the US at various points.

More than 44 people served in Trump's cabinet - only 4 have come out and supported his re-election. Several have come out and opposed him. It was a constant rotation of personnel through his cabinet which led to a complete mess in terms of policy implementation.

US oil production reached 13.3 million barrels per day in December 2023 which is the highest ever achieved. OPEC has tried cutting supply and failed because of record US crude production.

But you didn't create this post to be convinced. You created this post to argue with those who comment - the same occurs on Reddit where left-wing people create posts to argue with Trump supporters.




This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 9:50 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:44 pm to
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Are you going to provide the documentation to back up your statement?


So you’re curious about something you have no knowledge of and expect other people to spoon feed you information about it?

I guess you don’t know how to operate google?

Here ya go, darling. I’m happy to help.

LINK


Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90338 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:44 pm to
You made the claim you idiot
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42020 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:46 pm to
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It was a constant rotation of personnel through his cabinet which led to a complete mess in terms of policy implementation.

How is Harris any different? She has a 92% staff turnover rate and interviews with multiple former staffers paint a worse picture of her than Trump.
Posted by LSUChamps03
S. Louisiana
Member since Feb 2006
3127 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:48 pm to
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History? My life isn’t dictated by who occupies the White House. My life hasn’t radically changed because of any presidential election. How has yours?


I’d agree with your historical comment heading into the 2008 election. But we’re not in Kansas anymore.

Grocery and gas prices have had a direct impact on my family. You can blame that on whomever or whatever you want. But I see the reason for this are the financial and energy policies of the ditto administration. Decisions like shutting down pipelines and depleting reserves weren’t policies that helped.

Thankfully it hasn’t hit as hard where I live yet, BUT dirty books in school libraries and school administrators hiding a child’s mental illness from her parents affects me as a parent of 3 children ages 13 and under. That’s a policy of the current administration.

Let’s see, what else… oh, how about DEI initiatives that my employer pushes? As a white male I can tell you that DEI surely doesn’t HELP me. And who knows when a DEI hire based solely on a physical trait versus skill or merit might crash the plane I’m on, or fumble their sidearm from a holster while trying to protect someone I love? So yeah, that initiative of the current administration impacts my life.

And as an American who lives not terribly far away from the southern border I’m impacted by the wide open immigration caused by a government that ignores its nation’s own laws. Are you observing what’s happening in Europe? So yeah, we’re not far off from seeing that escalate here, especially if the current administration stays in office. And what about the drug crisis caused by unfettered immigration? I have kids, man.

How about all of the US citizens-paid taxes that are headed to Ukraine under the current administration? Why can’t that money be injected somehow into our own country, into our own economy to help Americans?

I mean we do feel these things. Not all as direct on a daily basis as food and gas prices, and maybe we don’t feel it today. It’s only a matter of time before every one of the horrible policies in place currently directly impacts me - and you. And it’s not as far off as you may think.

Every day this administration and its policies stay in place only expedites the direct impacts on me. So yeah it does matter to me and it does impact my daily life.
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
918 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:54 pm to
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How is Harris any different? She has a 92% staff turnover rate and interviews with multiple former staffers paint a worse picture of her than Trump.


The difference is that Democrats seem to be pretty unified under Kamala - her personnel turnover is also a mess but negated by the fact that the party clearly supports her. She can choose a cabinet that will support her and at least publicly believe in her policies. Her staff don't like her but they at least believe in what she supports.

Trump wasn't even supported by his own party at several points during his term and even his cabinet seemed to be made of people who didn't really believe in Trump's policies. Heck, I'm not even sure Vance is a MAGA believer in the slightest - how can you implement any effective policy if your own 'team' doesn't agree with it?
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 9:56 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 9:59 pm to
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Grocery and gas prices have had a direct impact on my family. You can blame that on whomever or whatever you want.


Clearly you blame Joe Biden for global inflation. I’m wondering how he managed to pull that off. Isn’t he demented? Doesn’t he poop himself?

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But I see the reason for this are the financial and energy policies of the ditto administration



Is it possible that a president’s policies can impact the economy after he has left office?

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Thankfully it hasn’t hit as hard where I live yet, BUT dirty books in school libraries and school administrators hiding a child’s mental illness from her parents affects me as a parent of 3 children ages 13 and under. That’s a policy of the current administration.

Have you been personally affected by any of this? This reads like outrage porn by the media to get your attention/clicks.

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And as an American who lives not terribly far away from the southern border I’m impacted by the wide open immigration caused by a government that ignores its nation’s own laws. Are you observing what’s happening in Europe? So yeah, we’re not far off from seeing that escalate here, especially if the current administration stays in office. And what about the drug crisis caused by unfettered immigration? I have kids, man
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Coincidentally, my family was deeply impacted by the opioid epidemic fueled by our own government. I’m sure there are immigrants running drugs but I seriously doubt they can do more damage than our own government continues to do to our population.

Seems like you’re eating up everything the media is selling you without really thinking about their claims.

Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44143 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:01 pm to
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I can’t recall ever seeing a “Liberal” or a “democrat” in any thread on this board


Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90338 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:01 pm to
PPI seems foreign to you.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44143 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:02 pm to
It bothers you that Trump is still alive - doesn’t it?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89557 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:08 pm to
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There might be a ton of reasons to vote for Trump , or to vote for Kamala- but inflation isn’t one of them… Why ?


Energy costs.

You think things can’t get worse under Kamala? She hasn’t been talking about ending any wars. So there will be more resources leaving.


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