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re: Kamala it is - has over 500 delegates pledged to her already
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:27 am to lake chuck fan
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:27 am to lake chuck fan
It is not about getting elected, it is about preserving house seats in New York and California.
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Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:28 am to c on z
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Never had to run as the main candidate in a primary or anything. I'm sure Democrats that voted, actually voted, for Biden are thrilled.
As a Biden voter, I’m all in.
C on Z is case in point of my post before this one. They're voting party, anyone could be the Dem candidate against Trump and they'd vote for them.
What loser figs...
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:37 am to ole man
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You’re a stupid motherfricker, the world is gonna be as fricked up for you as it is for the rest of us. They don’t give a shite about you either, to them your just another sheep that the got corralled
You can't reason with these people... If they're still supporting the Kamala and the Dem candidate after the absolute disaster that has been the last 3.5 years, they are dug in and there is no changing their minds. We can just sit back and laugh as they cry on election night. It's going to be glorious.
The hilarious thing is, if the Dems had not cheated in 2020 with COVID as cover, they'd almost be rid of Trump by now. He'd be wrapping up his second, lame duck term and would be disappearing back to his normal life. Their TDS just prolonged their suffering for an extra four years.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
I had thought that Obama was the puppet master. But over the last few months I have come around to thinking that he was actually being frozen out. Looking back, Axelrod had been intimating that Biden was going to be a problem. He was never really on the Biden train.
Obama though, is trying to shape the overall party and its messaging
Obama though, is trying to shape the overall party and its messaging
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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He and Biden don't exactly like each other (which is why all of the "Obama is running the White House" CTs are so silly)
How is it silly? Biden has had obvious dementia since before the 2020 election. It's why, under the cover of COVID of course, he barely even campaigned. The man's cabinet has not met for over 10 months. So, someone is running the show and it sure as hell isn't the nursing home dementia ward patient they installed and have been shielding from the public the last 4 years.
But "Obama's third term" is just "right wing conspiracy," huh?
Democrats ignore Biden at White House event only to gather around Obama... 2 years ago
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:47 am to OMLandshark
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Those delegates will turn on a dime if they think they’ve found a better opportunity to defeat Trump, so until that gavel bangs at the DNC, you cannot say this for certain.
100%
$130 million in the war chest is worth losing for them if they think it beats Trump.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:48 am to L1C4
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ABC this morning says Harris is polling three points ahead of Trump.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:49 am to OMLandshark
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Those delegates will turn on a dime if they think they’ve found a better opportunity to defeat Trump, so until that gavel bangs at the DNC, you cannot say this for certain.
No they won't.
As I said last week, there is nothing in the universe that Democrats fear more than the Congressional Black Caucus.
Kamala is the nominee, she won't have a challenger, and she'll be anointed in their little zoom call next week.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:53 am to Biff Underwood
Is this democracy?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:03 am to KiwiHead
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Obama though, is trying to shape the overall party and its messaging
Obama and the Clintons run the DNC. They call the shots. There is some tension and resentment between those two camps but they're the ones calling the shots. I think Obama has edged the Clintons out as the head honcho because the party has become, essentially, a black led political party these days. Obama and the Black Caucus led by Clyburn and black elitist power players behind the scenes like Cedric Richmond, Marc Morial and the Urban League--who perfected large scale voter bribing and ballot harvesting in 2020--are the ones really calling the shots and guiding things. The Clintons are the old guard trying to cling to their hold on power within the DNC and it is slipping.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:13 am to Jack Carter
Not one Of the 775 Super Delegates will be committed until the Convention.
Then there is a problem with over 700 Texas delegates……all committed to Biden. They have to be released
Who gives a frick about 500 delegates signed off when it takes 4500 to close the deal?
Then there is a problem with over 700 Texas delegates……all committed to Biden. They have to be released
Who gives a frick about 500 delegates signed off when it takes 4500 to close the deal?
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:14 am to bluedragon
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Not one Of the 775 Super Delegates will be committed until the Convention.
Then there is a problem with over 700 Texas delegates……all committed to Biden. They have to be released
Who gives a frick about 500 delegates signed off when it takes 4500 to close the deal?
These types of things would matter if she had a challenger. But she doesn't.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:21 am to loogaroo
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Or…this was just about the down ballot races and their donations drying up.
I'm thinking this is a big part of it. Let's them hold.on to all the money currently in the coffers, which they can divert with Kamala's help to key races in Congress.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:27 am to LegalEazyE
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Obama and the Clintons run the DNC. They call the shots. There is some tension and resentment between those two camps but they're the ones calling the shots.
I feel like people who believe there are absolute clear distinct divisions between these two "camps" are sort of missing the mark as well. There's a lot of overlap and a lot of give and take at play, I suspect.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:41 am to Biff Underwood
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:00 am to geauxcoco
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But let’s say Trump was unable to run for one reason or another, would Vance not be the option?
Probably not.
DeSantis would have massive support, Haley would have all the GOPe big money donors behind her and the Trump people would be losing their minds.
Keep in mind we were a half inch from experiencing that exact scenario a week ago and the end result could’ve been political violence.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:07 am to Jack Carter
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Is this democracy?
In a country with a party system, yes.
Parties determine how they nominate their candidates. For both major parties in the US, they have a series of primaries and caucuses to determine which candidate gets to select delegates to go to the party nominating convention.
Those delegates then get to decide who to nominate at the convention.
Biden gets to choose all but 7 of the Democratic delegates due to primary results. Those delegates he chose get to decide who (amongst the willing candidates) to nominate. Biden has stated he is not willing and has asked the delegates that he got to choose to select Harris.
NONE of this, for the GOP, Democrats or any other party, is in any way Democratic. That part doesn't happen until the general election. That's why a guy like Ross Perot can create his own party, not have primaries and declare himself the nominee, and then go about getting signatures in order to appear on each state's ballot.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:09 am to tide06
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Probably not.
DeSantis would have massive support, Haley would have all the GOPe big money donors behind her and the Trump people would be losing their minds.
Keep in mind we were a half inch from experiencing that exact scenario a week ago and the end result could’ve been political violence.
I think your response would be correct if it happened BEFORE the convention.
But now, Vance would likely be the option. I believe both parties have rules in place that state that after the convention if the Presidential nominee cannot run for any reason, the VP nominee becomes the Presidential nominee.
The Democratic convention isn't until August.
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:41 pm to LegalEazyE
Clyburn and Obama are not friends. They are a convenience for each other
Posted on 7/22/24 at 3:48 pm to Indefatigable
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Those delegates will turn on a dime if they think they’ve found a better opportunity to defeat Trump, so until that gavel bangs at the DNC, you cannot say this for certain.
No they won't.
As I said last week, there is nothing in the universe that Democrats fear more than the Congressional Black Caucus.
Kamala is the nominee, she won't have a challenger, and she'll be anointed in their little zoom call next week.
I think the Dems are throwing in the towel saying they can't beat Trump and throwing Kamala out there as their set up for the next cycle....who I think will be Michelle Obama.
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